From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Robert Pang <robertpang@google.com>
Cc: Kuan-Wei Chiu <visitorckw@gmail.com>,
corbet@lwn.net, colyli@kernel.org, kent.overstreet@linux.dev,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org, jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw,
stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Fix bcache regression with equality-aware heap APIs
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 11:04:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250613110415.b898c62c7c09ff6e8b0149e9@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJhEC05+0S69z+3+FB2Cd0hD+pCRyWTKLEOsc8BOmH73p1m+KQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 23:26:33 +0900 Robert Pang <robertpang@google.com> wrote:
> Hi Andrew
>
> Bcache is designed to boost the I/O performance of slower storage
> (HDDs, network-attached storage) by leveraging fast SSDs as a block
> cache. This functionality is critical in significantly reducing I/O
> latency. Therefore, any notable increase in bcache's latency severely
> diminishes its value. For instance, our tests show a P100 (max)
> latency spike from 600 ms to 2.4 seconds every 5 minutes due to this
> regression. In real-world environments, this increase will cause
> frequent timeouts and stalls in end-user applications that rely on
> bcache's latency improvements, highlighting the urgent need to address
> this issue.
Great, thanks. Let's please incorporate this into the v2 changelogging.
> > > Also, if we are to address this regression in -stable kernels then
> > > reverting 866898efbb25 is an obvious way - it is far far safer. So
> > > please also tell us why the proposed patchset is a better way for us to
> > > go.
> > >
> > I agree that reverting 866898efbb25 is a much safer and smaller change
> > for backporting. In fact, I previously raised the discussion of whether
> > we should revert the commit or instead introduce an equality-aware API
> > and use it. The bcache maintainer preferred the latter, and I also
> > believe that it is a more forward-looking approach. Given that bcache
> > has run into this issue, it's likely that other users with similar use
> > cases may encounter it as well. We wouldn't want those users to
> > continue relying on the current default heapify behavior. So, although
> > reverting may be more suitable for stable in isolation, adding an
> > equality-aware API could better serve a broader set of use cases going
> > forward.
"much safer and smaller" is very desirable for backporting, please.
After all, 866898efbb25 didn't really fix anything and reverting that
takes us back to a known-to-work implementation.
I of course have no problem making the changes in this patchset for
"going forward"!
So if agreeable, please prepare a patch which reverts 866898efbb25.
Robert's words above are a great basis for that patch's description.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-13 18:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-10 21:55 [PATCH 0/8] Fix bcache regression with equality-aware heap APIs Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 1/8] lib min_heap: Add equal-elements-aware sift_down variant Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-12 13:00 ` Robert Pang
2025-06-13 6:17 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 2/8] lib min_heap: Add typedef for sift_down function pointer Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 3/8] lib min_heap: add eqaware variant of min_heapify_all() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 4/8] lib min_heap: add eqaware variant of min_heap_pop() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 5/8] lib min_heap: add eqaware variant of min_heap_pop_push() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 6/8] lib min_heap: add eqaware variant of min_heap_del() Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 7/8] Documentation/core-api: min_heap: Document _eqaware variants of min-heap APIs Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-10 21:55 ` [PATCH 8/8] bcache: Fix the tail IO latency regression by using equality-aware min heap API Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-12 1:48 ` [PATCH 0/8] Fix bcache regression with equality-aware heap APIs Andrew Morton
2025-06-12 1:54 ` Andrew Morton
2025-06-13 6:15 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-13 14:26 ` Robert Pang
2025-06-13 18:04 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2025-06-13 23:19 ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2025-06-14 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
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