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From: James Pharaoh <james@pharaoh.uk>
To: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.com>
Cc: linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Extra write mode to close RAID5 write hole (kind of)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 18:07:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6ab21923-caa2-4706-e4dc-83729ff6d111@pharaoh.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161028115249.6myzx2ae24n2w4v7@kmo-pixel>

On 28/10/16 12:52, Kent Overstreet wrote:

> That's not what the raid 5 hole is. The raid 5 hole comes from the fact that
> it's not possible to update the p/q blocks atomically with the data blocks, thus
> there is a point in time when they are _inconsistent_ with the rest of the
> stripe, and if used will lead to reconstructing incorrect data. There's no way
> to fix this with just flushes.

Yes, I understand this, but if the kernel strictly orders writing mdraud 
data blocks before parity ones, then it closes part of the hole, 
especially if I have a "journal" in a higher layer, and of course ensure 
that this journal is reliable.

I think that, in the case of a drive failure, which contains data blocks 
which have been written, but which the parity blocks have not been, then 
this will fail.

I also think, however, that by putting bcache /under/ mdraid, and 
(again) ensuring that the bcache layer is reliable, along with the 
requirement for bcache to "journal" all writes, would provide an 
extremely reliable storage layer, even at a very large scale.

James

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-10-28 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-26 15:20 Extra write mode to close RAID5 write hole (kind of) James Pharaoh
2016-10-26 22:31 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2016-10-27 21:46   ` James Pharaoh
2016-10-28 11:52   ` Kent Overstreet
2016-10-28 13:07     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2016-10-28 13:13       ` Kent Overstreet
2016-10-28 16:55         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2016-10-28 16:58       ` James Pharaoh
2016-10-28 17:07     ` James Pharaoh [this message]
2016-10-29  0:58       ` Kent Overstreet
2016-10-29 19:58         ` James Pharaoh
2016-10-28 11:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2016-10-28 17:02   ` James Pharaoh

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