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[76.182.20.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 3f1490d57ef6-e8fd3860a91sm8336114276.23.2025.08.09.12.21.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 09 Aug 2025 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2025 15:21:56 -0400 From: Josef Bacik To: Kent Overstreet Cc: Aquinas Admin , Malte =?iso-8859-1?Q?Schr=F6der?= , Linus Torvalds , "Carl E. Thompson" , linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs changes for 6.17 Message-ID: <20250809192156.GA1411279@fedora> References: <22ib5scviwwa7bqeln22w2xm3dlywc4yuactrddhmsntixnghr@wjmmbpxjvipv> <1869778184.298.1754433695609@mail.carlthompson.net> <5909824.DvuYhMxLoT@woolf> <3ik3h6hfm4v2y3rtpjshk5y4wlm5n366overw2lp72qk5izizw@k6vxp22uwnwa> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3ik3h6hfm4v2y3rtpjshk5y4wlm5n366overw2lp72qk5izizw@k6vxp22uwnwa> On Sat, Aug 09, 2025 at 01:36:39PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2025 at 07:42:38PM +0700, Aquinas Admin wrote: > > Generally, this drama is more like a kindergarten. I honestly don't understand > > why there's such a reaction. It's a management issue, solely a management > > issue. The fact is that there are plenty of administrative possibilities to > > resolve this situation. > > Yes, this is accurate. I've been getting entirely too many emails from > Linus about how pissed off everyone is, completely absent of details - > or anything engineering related, for that matter. Lots of "you need to > work with us better" - i.e. bend to demands - without being willing to > put forth an argument that stands to scrutiny. > > This isn't high school, and it's not a popularity contest. This is > engineering, and it's about engineering standards. > Exactly. Which is why the Meta infrastructure is built completely on btrfs and its features. We have saved billions of dollars in infrastructure costs with the features and robustness of btrfs. Btrfs doesn't need me or anybody else wandering around screaming about how everybody else sucks to gain users. The proof is in the pudding. If you read anything that I've wrote in my commentary about other file systems you will find nothing but praise and respect, because this is hard and we all make our tradeoffs. That courtesy has been extended to you in the past, and still extends to your file system. Because I don't need to tear you down or your work down to make myself feel good. And because I truly beleive you've done some great things with bcachefs, things I wish we had had the foresight to do with btrfs. I'm yet again having to respond to this silly childishness because people on the outside do not have the context or historical knowledge to understand that they should ignore every word that comes out of your mouth. If there are articles written about these claims I want to make sure that they are not unchallenged and thus viewed as if they are true or valid. Emails like this are why nobody wants to work with you. Emails like this are why I've been on literally dozens of email threads, side conversations, chat threads, and in person discussions about what to do when we have exceedingly toxic developers in our community. Emails like this are exactly why we have to have a code of conduct. Emails like this are why a majority of the community filters your emails to /dev/null. You alone with your toxic behavior have wasted a fair amount of mine and other peoples time trying to figure out how do we exist in our place of work with somebody who is bent on tearing down the community and the people who work in it. I have defended you in the past, I was hoping that the support, guidance, and grace you've been afforded by so many people in this community would have resulted in your behavior changing. I'm very sorry I was wrong, and I'm very sorry if my support in anyway enabled the decision to merge your filesystem. Because your behavior is unacceptable. This email is unacceptable. Everything about your presence in this community has been a disruption and has ended up with all of our jobs being harder. You are not some paraih. You are not some victim. You are not some misunderstood genius. Your behavior makes this community a worse place to work in. If you are removed from this community it will soley be because you lack the ability to learn and to grow as a person and take responsibility for your behavior. If you are allowed to continue to be in this community that will be a travesty. Thanks, Josef