From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
Donald Buczek <buczek@molgen.mpg.de>,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
Stefan Krueger <stefan.krueger@aei.mpg.de>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: file handle in statx (was: Re: How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems?)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 10:06:37 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZXjnffHOo+JY/M4b@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <170242027365.12910.2226609822336684620@noble.neil.brown.name>
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 09:31:13AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2023, Dave Chinner wrote:
> >
> > What you are suggesting is that we now duplicate filehandle encoding
> > into every filesystem's statx() implementation. That's a bad
> > trade-off from a maintenance, testing and consistency POV because
> > now we end up with lots of individual, filehandle encoding
> > implementations in addition to the generic filehandle
> > infrastructure that we all have to test and validate.
>
> Not correct. We are suggesting an interface, not an implementation.
> Here you are proposing a suboptimal implementation, pointing out its
> weakness, and suggesting the has consequences for the interface
> proposal. Is that the strawman fallacy?
No, you simply haven't followed deep enough into the rabbit hole to
understand Kent was suggesting potential implementation details to
address hot path performance concerns with filehandle encoding.
> vfs_getattr_nosec could, after calling i_op->getattr, check if
> STATX_HANDLE is set in request_mask but not in ->result_mask.
> If so it could call exportfs_encode_fh() and handle the result.
>
> No filesystem need to be changed.
Well, yes, it's pretty damn obvious that is exactly what I've been
advocating for here - if we are going to put filehandles in statx(),
then it must use the same infrastructure as name_to_handle_at().
i.e. calling exportfs_encode_fh(EXPORT_FH_FID) to generate the
filehandle.
The important discussion detail you've missed about
exportfs_encode_fh() is that it *requires* adding a new indirect
call (via export_ops->encode_fh) in the statx path to encode the
filehandle, and that's exactly what Kent was suggesting we can code
the implementation to avoid.
Avoiding an indirect function call is an implementation detail, not
an interface design requirement.
And the only way to avoid adding new indirect calls to encoding
filesystem specific filehandles is to implement the encoding in the
existing individual filesystem i_op->getattr methods. i.e. duplicate
the filehandle encoding in the statx path rather than use
exportfs_encode_fh().....
-Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-28 7:49 How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems? Donald Buczek
2023-11-29 21:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-11-30 7:35 ` Donald Buczek
2023-11-30 7:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-11-30 20:37 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-04 10:47 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-04 22:45 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-05 21:35 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-05 22:01 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-07 11:53 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-08 1:16 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-08 1:37 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-08 2:13 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-08 2:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-08 11:34 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-08 20:02 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-11 22:43 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-11 23:32 ` file handle in statx (was: Re: How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems?) Kent Overstreet
2023-12-11 23:40 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 20:59 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 22:57 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 23:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 0:02 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 0:14 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 22:45 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-12-13 23:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-11 23:53 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 0:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 0:59 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 1:10 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 2:13 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 2:24 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 9:08 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 5:53 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 6:32 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-12 8:56 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 9:10 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 9:23 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 9:35 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 9:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 13:47 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 14:06 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 15:24 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 15:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 9:46 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 15:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:29 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 15:35 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 15:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 15:57 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 16:08 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 16:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2023-12-12 16:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 21:53 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 9:41 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-12 21:46 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-13 9:47 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-13 10:04 ` Christian Brauner
2023-12-14 22:47 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-15 0:36 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 7:03 ` David Howells
2023-12-12 9:10 ` file handle in statx Donald Buczek
2023-12-12 15:20 ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-12-12 17:15 ` Frank Filz
2023-12-12 17:44 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 18:17 ` Amir Goldstein
2023-12-12 19:18 ` Frank Filz
2023-12-12 20:59 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 21:57 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:23 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 22:36 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:39 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 23:44 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-13 0:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 7:37 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-13 12:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 13:48 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-19 7:41 ` Donald Buczek
2023-12-12 15:21 ` file handle in statx (was: Re: How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems?) Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 20:48 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 21:23 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-12 22:10 ` Dave Chinner
2023-12-12 22:31 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 23:06 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2023-12-12 23:42 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-12-13 0:03 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 22:00 ` NeilBrown
2023-12-12 0:25 ` David Howells
2023-12-13 12:43 ` How to cope with subvolumes and snapshots on muti-user systems? Donald Buczek
2023-11-30 20:36 ` NeilBrown
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