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From: Kuan-Wei Chiu <visitorckw@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: colyli@suse.de, kent.overstreet@linux.dev, msakai@redhat.com,
	corbet@lwn.net, mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org,
	namhyung@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
	jolsa@kernel.org, irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
	kan.liang@linux.intel.com, jserv@ccns.ncku.edu.tw,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcache@vger.kernel.org,
	dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] lib/min_heap: Introduce non-inline versions of min heap API functions
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:41:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZwznQzdZsg82KNT4@visitorckw-System-Product-Name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241014081358.GS17263@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 10:13:58AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 02:47:01AM +0800, Kuan-Wei Chiu wrote:
> > All current min heap API functions are marked with '__always_inline'.
> > However, as the number of users increases, inlining these functions
> > everywhere leads to a significant increase in kernel size.
> > 
> > In performance-critical paths, such as when perf events are enabled and
> > min heap functions are called on every context switch, it is important
> > to retain the inline versions for optimal performance. To balance this,
> > the original inline functions are kept, and additional non-inline
> > versions of the functions have been added in lib/min_heap.c.
> 
> The reason it is all __always_inline is because then the whole
> min_heap_callbacks thing can be constant propagated and the func->less()
> etc calls become direct calls.
> 
> Doing out of line for this stuff, makes them indirect calls, and
> indirect calls are super retarded expensive ever since spectre. But also
> things like kCFI add significant cost to indirect calls.
> 
> Something that would be a trivial subtract instruction becomes this
> giant mess of an indirect function call.
>
Yes, I also learned from reading the lib/sort.c git log that indirect
function calls can become especially expensive when
CONFIG_MITIGATION_RETPOLINE is enabled.

I'm not an expert in bcache, bcachefs, or dm-vdo, but when Andrew
previously suggested moving these functions to lib/min_heap, Kent
expressed his support. This led me to believe that in bcache and
bcachefs (which are the primary users of min_heap), these indirect
function calls are considered acceptable. However, that's just my
assumption — I'll wait for Kent to chime in on this.

> Given the whole min_heap thing is basically a ton of less() and swp()
> calls, I really don't think this trade off makes any kind of sense.

As for your point about min_heap being full of less() and swp() calls,
we could handle swp() the same way it's done in lib/sort.c by providing
a built-in swap function, which would help avoid indirect function
calls in places other than fs/bcachefs/ec.c. However, for less(), it
seems there might not be a way around it.

Regards,
Kuan-Wei

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-14  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-13 18:47 [PATCH 0/3] Enhance min heap API with non-inline functions and optimizations Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-13 18:47 ` [PATCH 1/3] lib/min_heap: Introduce non-inline versions of min heap API functions Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-14  8:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-14  8:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-14  9:41     ` Kuan-Wei Chiu [this message]
2024-10-17  3:26       ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-17  9:55         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-17 10:46           ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-20  5:15     ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-13 18:47 ` [PATCH 2/3] lib min_heap: Optimize min heap by prescaling counters for better performance Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-13 18:47 ` [PATCH 3/3] Documentation/core-api: Add min heap API introduction Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-14  8:55   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-10-14 10:04     ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-13 23:05 ` [PATCH 0/3] Enhance min heap API with non-inline functions and optimizations Kent Overstreet
2024-10-13 23:27   ` Kuan-Wei Chiu
2024-10-14  2:08     ` Kent Overstreet
2024-10-14  1:18   ` Coly Li
2024-10-14  1:23     ` Kent Overstreet

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