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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@wdc.com>,
	Jianchao Wang <jianchao.w.wang@oracle.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@suse.de>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	"James E.J. Bottomley" <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/14] SCSI: introduce per-host admin queue & enable runtime PM
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:25:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808152527.GA17358@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1808081001260.1466-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 10:06:00AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018, Ming Lei wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > This patchset introduces per-host admin request queue for submitting
> > admin request only, and uses this approach to implement both SCSI
> > quiesce and runtime PM in one very simply way. Also runtime PM deadlock
> > can be avoided in case that request pool is used up.
> > 
> > The idea is borrowed from NVMe.
> > 
> > Admin request is submitted via per-host admin queue, and it is still
> > associated with the same scsi_device as before, and respects this
> > scsi_device's all kinds of limits. Admin queue shares host tags with
> > other IO queues.
> > 
> > One core idea is that for admin request submitted from this admin queue,
> > this request won't be called back to block layer via the associated IO
> > queue(scsi_device). And this is done in the 3rd patch. So once IO queue
> > is frozen, it can be observed as really frozen from block layer view.
> > 
> > SCSI quiesce is implemented by admin queue in very simple way, see patch
> > 12.
> > 
> > Also runtime PM for legacy path can be simplified too, see patch 13.
> > 
> > Finally blk-mq simply follows legacy's approach for supporting runtime PM.
> > 
> > Any comments are welcome!
> 
> The admin queue is meant for a few other types of request, not just PM
> requests, right?

Yes, they are all requests sent via scsi_execute() actually.

> 
> Which raises a question: How do you prevent those other types of 
> request, once they are added to the admin queue, from being sent to the 
> device while it is in low-power mode?

If other non-PM types of request needs to be submitted via admin queue, the
related IO queue will be resumed first, which is done via scsi_autopm_get_device()
in scsi_execute().

> 
> Or turn the question around: Suppose you prevent all requests, even 
> those on the admin queue, from being sent to the device while it is in 
> low-power mode.  Then how do you send the request which tells the 
> device to go back to full power?

For normal IO request, the IO queue is resumed before allocating the IO request.

For other non-PM request, the related IO queue is resumed via scsi_autopm_get_device()
before allocating this request from admin queue.

> 
> It seems to me that any queue-based approach needs to be aware of which
> requests will actually change the device's power level.

Now looks we suppose it is only done by RQF_PM request.


Thanks,
Ming

      reply	other threads:[~2018-08-08 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-07 17:44 [RFC PATCH 00/14] SCSI: introduce per-host admin queue & enable runtime PM Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 01/14] blk-mq: allow to pass default queue flags for creating & initializing queue Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 02/14] blk-mq: convert BLK_MQ_F_NO_SCHED into per-queue flag Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 03/14] SCSI: try to retrieve request_queue via 'scsi_cmnd' if possible Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 04/14] SCSI: pass 'scsi_device' instance from 'scsi_request' Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 05/14] SCSI: prepare for introducing admin queue for legacy path Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 06/14] SCSI: pass scsi_device to scsi_mq_prep_fn Ming Lei
2018-08-07 23:24   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-08-08  3:37     ` Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 07/14] SCSI: don't set .queuedata in scsi_mq_alloc_queue() Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 08/14] SCSI: deal with admin queue busy Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 09/14] SCSI: create admin queue for each host Ming Lei
2018-08-08  5:57   ` jianchao.wang
2018-08-08  7:11     ` Ming Lei
2018-08-08  7:34       ` jianchao.wang
2018-08-08  7:46         ` Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 10/14] SCSI: use the dedicated admin queue to send admin commands Ming Lei
2018-08-07 23:33   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-08-08  3:36     ` Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 11/14] SCSI: transport_spi: resume a quiesced device Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 12/14] SCSI: use admin queue to implement queue QUIESCE Ming Lei
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 13/14] block: simplify runtime PM support Ming Lei
2018-08-07 19:54   ` Bart Van Assche
2018-08-08  3:50     ` Ming Lei
2018-08-08  7:57       ` jianchao.wang
2018-08-07 17:44 ` [RFC PATCH 14/14] block: enable runtime PM for blk-mq Ming Lei
2018-08-08 14:06 ` [RFC PATCH 00/14] SCSI: introduce per-host admin queue & enable runtime PM Alan Stern
2018-08-08 15:25   ` Ming Lei [this message]

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