From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABC3C10F28 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E851E20866 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=ziepe.ca header.i=@ziepe.ca header.b="VwS4+eK1" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726167AbgCFP3c (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 10:29:32 -0500 Received: from mail-qk1-f196.google.com ([209.85.222.196]:36790 "EHLO mail-qk1-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726898AbgCFP3b (ORCPT ); Fri, 6 Mar 2020 10:29:31 -0500 Received: by mail-qk1-f196.google.com with SMTP id u25so2661060qkk.3 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:29:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ziepe.ca; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=PbvQp0mcFJZRWUllfmz/rnyregscayhvYgNCNOwQuE0=; b=VwS4+eK1QrC1jlaCH8Vi8peEQ4BnOpLpGX9oNqzVLxIc9ewD3vXR6VVYIPuxFLXpIc 2c3xuas2S7wbkctyBKbOljO4VhdF7/jbqKKjoBUucc5+G0eU1BhTkfUhr04OY6yTz9dM Y4LQxMvGWP8dqttZ1UF646uiuNLrc8tPy69mJ4mD890sMQAZ6+E3e81c16oSh8HG2/ym Z644E2xP359Wms/WlKH+uISKE6MviGUEwZpk8ivXjWPoou2ehCkGgzSxnCmeF6m0/L52 /lmWJuqxtUClZIYuTLFuvVeQCcezokCuINwMAnA/ddlyftMV2Qa9wSVmej4cL4VZCX6l sU2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=PbvQp0mcFJZRWUllfmz/rnyregscayhvYgNCNOwQuE0=; b=gB3PNjlBRo6quh/VMnAl3FVxB8NVpFl+gIBaZjkDSfY2Ic2yJp0wPJ4qEP4s1Qtx7B pN/TnWwW2HctnkepmsLeLlQMsRRkPgg1TDB6aRmFASGbMAc6FXbqeU0kMCLwil0+pn67 GZaBpiHnyBWH+sOE4p2+pY16DmMpk7k+1Mn2TGu05TDlA+o1tmAY6o4YFOuCf6m0G+OH f9hJAQqxqsrRqd6P03bHiMktjmYXC3A0uMsIjUueEcpbV/wmNRRSPK5rZYm+MqBTCoOz 5bGqzjrd2lXn4/68fDQhV2Pd+z9/TfDaa1sh+Npbi83l1FjZ7IA6ZYDB1LiYPluMw6mq +yVw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1Vjo1mSzq0wkjVJoiuCIi1DSHoYRZQ36l3e5hvXVplq29H8hUT NxDTO9ocA8IFPxWaksHlhEHQJA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vvZz4swHN8hgN+Sb7HSKQietOBMfwnEFzAXiiNITZAjmI/a+uSsA239li41AE2+e0r2LZJNkQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:16d4:: with SMTP id a20mr3558798qkn.168.1583508569931; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ziepe.ca (hlfxns017vw-142-68-57-212.dhcp-dynamic.fibreop.ns.bellaliant.net. [142.68.57.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d35sm16733291qtc.21.2020.03.06.07.29.28 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from jgg by mlx.ziepe.ca with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jAEum-0004LB-Bj; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:29:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:29:28 -0400 From: Jason Gunthorpe To: Josef Bacik Cc: lsf-pc , Linux FS Devel , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Btrfs BTRFS , bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [LSFMMBPF TOPIC] Killing LSFMMBPF Message-ID: <20200306152928.GL31668@ziepe.ca> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-block-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-block@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:35:41AM -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > 1) The invitation process. This goes away. The people/companies that want > to discuss things with the rest of us can all get to plumbers the normal > way. We get new blood that we may miss through the invitation process > because they can simply register for Plumbers on their own. At last year at plumbers there were many people who could not get tickets, it has been full the last few years, I think. IMHO LPC is about at the size now where it is almost as large as it can be in a mid-sized hotel setting.. > 4) Planning becomes much simpler. I've organized miniconf's at plumbers > before, it is far simpler than LSFMMBPF. You only have to worry about one > thing, is this presentation useful. I no longer have to worry about am I > inviting the right people, do we have enough money to cover the space. Is > there enough space for everybody? Etc. LPC does a great job at making miniconfs 'easy' - really fantastic actually. I really appreciate how great a job they do on getting video out and trying hard to mic everything so the freewheeling discussions are audible to everyone. Maybe something to think about is to keep the LSFMMBPF time slot but instead of building a conference from scratch, copy LPC - same venue, contracts, format, etc, etc. Ie two LPC style conferences a year, but without having to plan two completely different sites from scratch. IIRC when LPC was in Vancouver the LF used the same venue for several conferences, I wonder how that worked out? Jason