From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Chaitanya Kulkarni <chaitanya.kulkarni@wdc.com>
Cc: hch@lst.de, martin.petersen@oracle.com, darrick.wong@oracle.com,
axboe@kernel.dk, tytso@mit.edu, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca,
ming.lei@redhat.com, jthumshirn@suse.de, minwoo.im.dev@gmail.com,
damien.lemoal@wdc.com, andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com,
hare@suse.com, tj@kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru, ajay.joshi@wdc.com,
bvanassche@acm.org, arnd@arndb.de, houtao1@huawei.com,
asml.silence@gmail.com, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 09:41:24 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200402224124.GK10737@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200329174714.32416-1-chaitanya.kulkarni@wdc.com>
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:47:10AM -0700, Chaitanya Kulkarni wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This patch-series is based on the original RFC patch series:-
> https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-block/msg47933.html.
>
> I've designed a rough testcase based on the information present
> in the mailing list archive for original RFC, it may need
> some corrections from the author.
>
> If anyone is interested, test results are at the end of this patch.
>
> Following is the original cover-letter :-
>
> Information about continuous extent placement may be useful
> for some block devices. Say, distributed network filesystems,
> which provide block device interface, may use this information
> for better blocks placement over the nodes in their cluster,
> and for better performance. Block devices, which map a file
> on another filesystem (loop), may request the same length extent
> on underlining filesystem for less fragmentation and for batching
> allocation requests. Also, hypervisors like QEMU may use this
> information for optimization of cluster allocations.
>
> This patchset introduces REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE, which is going
> to be used for forwarding user's fallocate(0) requests into
> block device internals. It rather similar to existing
> REQ_OP_DISCARD, REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES, etc. The corresponding
> exported primitive is called blkdev_issue_assign_range().
> See [1/3] for the details.
>
> Patch [2/3] teaches loop driver to handle REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE
> requests by calling fallocate(0).
>
> Patch [3/3] makes ext4 to notify a block device about fallocate(0).
Ok, so ext4 has a very limited max allocation size for an extent, so
I expect this won't cause huge latency problems. However, what
happens when we use XFS, have a 64kB block size, and fallocate() is
allocating disk space in continguous 100GB extents and passing those
down to the block device?
How does this get split by dm devices? Are raid stripes going to
dice this into separate stripe unit sized bios, so instead of single
large requests we end up with hundreds or thousands or tiny
allocation requests being issued?
I know that for the loop device, it is going to serialise all IO to
the backing file while fallocate is run on it. Hence if you have
concurrent IO running, any REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE is going to cause an
significant, measurable latency hit to all those IOs in flight.
How are we expecting hardware to behave here? Is this a queued
command in the scsi/nvme/sata protocols? Or is this, for the moment,
just a special snowflake that we can't actually use in production
because the hardware just can't handle what we throw at it?
IOWs, what sort of latency issues is this operation going to cause
on real hardware? Is this going to be like discard? i.e. where we
end up not using it at all because so few devices actually handle
the massive stream of operations the filesystem will end up sending
the device(s) in the course of normal operations?
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-02 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-03-29 17:47 [PATCH 0/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-03-29 17:47 ` [PATCH 1/4] block: create payloadless issue bio helper Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-03-29 17:47 ` [PATCH 2/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-03-29 17:47 ` [PATCH 3/4] loop: Forward REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE into fallocate(0) Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-03-29 17:47 ` [PATCH 4/4] ext4: Notify block device about alloc-assigned blk Chaitanya Kulkarni
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2020-04-01 2:29 ` [PATCH 0/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-01 4:53 ` Chaitanya Kulkarni
2020-05-12 16:01 ` [PATCH v11 00/10] Introduce Zone Append for writing to zoned block devices Martin K. Petersen
2020-05-12 16:04 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-05-12 16:12 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-05-12 16:18 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 16:24 ` Martin K. Petersen
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2020-04-03 3:45 ` [PATCH 0/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-07 2:27 ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-08 4:10 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-19 22:36 ` Dave Chinner
2020-04-23 0:40 ` Martin K. Petersen
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2020-07-13 16:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: improve discard bio alignment in __blkdev_issue_discard() Martin K. Petersen
2020-07-13 17:50 ` Coly Li
2020-04-01 6:22 ` [PATCH 0/4] block: Add support for REQ_OP_ASSIGN_RANGE Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-04-02 2:29 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-02 9:49 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2020-04-02 22:41 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2020-04-03 1:34 ` Martin K. Petersen
2020-04-03 2:57 ` Dave Chinner
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2020-05-12 8:55 [PATCH v11 00/10] Introduce Zone Append for writing to zoned block devices Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 01/10] block: provide fallbacks for blk_queue_zone_is_seq and blk_queue_zone_no Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 02/10] block: rename __bio_add_pc_page to bio_add_hw_page Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 03/10] block: Introduce REQ_OP_ZONE_APPEND Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 04/10] block: introduce blk_req_zone_write_trylock Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 05/10] block: Modify revalidate zones Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 06/10] scsi: sd_zbc: factor out sanity checks for zoned commands Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 07/10] scsi: sd_zbc: emulate ZONE_APPEND commands Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 08/10] null_blk: Support REQ_OP_ZONE_APPEND Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 09/10] block: export bio_release_pages and bio_iov_iter_get_pages Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 8:55 ` [PATCH v11 10/10] zonefs: use REQ_OP_ZONE_APPEND for sync DIO Johannes Thumshirn
2020-05-12 13:17 ` [PATCH v11 00/10] Introduce Zone Append for writing to zoned block devices Christoph Hellwig
[not found] ` <(Christoph>
2020-05-13 2:37 ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-13 12:35 [PATCH 0/2] two generic block layer fixes for 5.9 Coly Li
2020-07-13 12:35 ` [PATCH 1/2] block: change REQ_OP_ZONE_RESET and REQ_OP_ZONE_RESET_ALL to be odd numbers Coly Li
2020-07-13 23:12 ` Damien Le Moal
2020-07-13 12:35 ` [PATCH 2/2] block: improve discard bio alignment in __blkdev_issue_discard() Coly Li
[not found] ` <(Coly>
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