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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: switch to atomic_t for request references
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:51:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202112061247.C5CD07E3C@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <282666e2-93d4-0302-b2d0-47d03395a6d4@kernel.dk>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2021 at 11:13:20AM -0700, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 12/6/21 10:35 AM, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:31 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Quite; and for something that pretends to be about performance, it also
> >> lacks any actual numbers to back that claim.
> >>
> >> The proposed implementation also doesn't do nearly as much as the
> >> refcount_t one does.
> > 
> > Stop pretending refcoutn_t is that great.
> > 
> > It's horrid. The code it generators is disgusting. It should never
> > have been inlines in the first place, and the design decsisions were
> > questionable to begin with.
> > 
> > There's a reason core stuff (like the page counters) DO NOT USE REFCOUNT_T.
> > 
> > I seriously believe that refcount_t should be used for things like
> > device reference counting or similar issues, and not for _any_ truly
> > core code.

I'd like core code to be safe too, though. :)

> Maybe we just need to embrace it generically, took a quick stab at it
> which is attached. Totally untested...

As long as we have an API that can't end up in a pathological state, I'm
happy. The problem with prior atomic_t use was that it never noticed
when it was entering a condition that could be used to confuse system
state (use-after-free, etc). Depending on people to "use it correctly"
or never make mistakes is not sufficient: we need an API that protects
itself. We have to assume there are, and will continue to be, bugs with
refcounting.

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-06 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-03 15:35 [PATCH] block: switch to atomic_t for request references Jens Axboe
2021-12-03 15:56 ` Keith Busch
2021-12-06  6:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-12-06  8:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 16:32     ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-06 17:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 17:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-06 18:13       ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-06 20:51         ` Kees Cook [this message]
2021-12-06 21:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-06 23:28             ` Kees Cook
2021-12-07  0:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07  4:56                 ` Kees Cook
2021-12-07  9:34                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 10:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 16:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 16:31   ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-07 11:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 13:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 15:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 16:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 17:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 17:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 17:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 20:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 23:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 17:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-08 18:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 18:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-08 18:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 20:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-10 10:57                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-10 12:38               ` Peter Zijlstra

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