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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: switch to atomic_t for request references
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 20:56:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <202112062004.EFB6BFE1@keescook> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whLU+dk7EmPu5UC6DDSd76_dO4bVd4BkvxmR4W5-mmAgg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 06, 2021 at 04:13:00PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 3:28 PM Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm not arguing for refcount_t -- I'm arguing for an API that isn't a
> > regression of features that have been protecting the kernel from bugs.
> 
> Maybe somebody could actually just fix refcount_t instead. Somebody
> who cares about that currently horrendously bad interface.
> 
> Fix it to not do the fundamentally broken saturation that actively
> destroys state: fix it to have a safe "try to increment", instead of
> an unsafe "increment and do bad things".

There would need to be a pretty hefty transition -- there are a lot of
refcount_inc() uses that would need checking and error handling (which
might not be sane to add to ancient drivers):

      2 block
      2 crypto
      2 ipc
      2 virt
      3 mm
      4 sound
      5 rust
     10 arch
     13 security
     31 kernel
     88 include
    192 fs
    192 net
    358 drivers

refcount_inc_not_zero() already uses __must_check, etc.

I'm not afraid of giant transitions, but this could be pretty tricky.
I'm open to ideas. Maybe a treewide change of refcount_inc() ->
refcount_inc_saturating() and then start fixing all the _unsafe() cases
where a sensible error path could be created and tested?

-- 
Kees Cook

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-07  4:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-03 15:35 [PATCH] block: switch to atomic_t for request references Jens Axboe
2021-12-03 15:56 ` Keith Busch
2021-12-06  6:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-12-06  8:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 16:32     ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-06 17:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 17:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-06 18:13       ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-06 20:51         ` Kees Cook
2021-12-06 21:17           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-06 23:28             ` Kees Cook
2021-12-07  0:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07  4:56                 ` Kees Cook [this message]
2021-12-07  9:34                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 10:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:10                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 16:23                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 16:31   ` Jens Axboe
2021-12-07 11:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 13:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 15:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 16:13       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 16:52         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 17:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 17:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 17:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-07 20:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-07 23:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 17:07           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-08 18:00             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 18:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-08 18:50                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-08 20:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-10 10:57                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-10 12:38               ` Peter Zijlstra

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