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From: Adam Manzanares <a.manzanares@samsung.com>
To: "Matias Bjørling" <Matias.Bjorling@wdc.com>
Cc: "Damien Le Moal" <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
	"Javier González" <javier@javigon.com>,
	"Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"Bart Van Assche" <bvanassche@acm.org>,
	"Keith Busch" <Keith.Busch@wdc.com>,
	"Johannes Thumshirn" <Johannes.Thumshirn@wdc.com>,
	"Naohiro Aota" <Naohiro.Aota@wdc.com>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <pankydev8@gmail.com>,
	"Kanchan Joshi" <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
	"Nitesh Shetty" <nj.shetty@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF BoF] BoF for Zoned Storage
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 20:18:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220303201831.GC11082@bgt-140510-bm01> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR04MB4968506D0A8CAB26AC266F8DF1049@BYAPR04MB4968.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 07:51:36PM +0000, Matias Bjørling wrote:
> > Sounds like you voluntered to teach zoned storage use 101. Can you teach me
> > how to calculate an LBA offset given a zone number when zone capacity is not
> > equal to zone size?
> 
> zonesize_pow = x; // e.g., x = 32 if 2GiB Zone size /w 512B block size
> zone_id = y; // valid zone id
> 
> struct blk_zone zone = zones[zone_id]; // zones is a linear array of blk_zone structs that holds per zone information.
> 
> With that, one can do the following
> 1a) first_lba_of_zone =  zone_id << zonesize_pow;
> 1b) first_lba_of_zone = zone.start;

1b is interesting. What happens if i don't have struct blk_zone and zone size 
is not equal to zone capacity?

> 2a) next_writeable_lba = (zoneid << zonesize_pow) + zone.wp;
> 2b) next_writeable_lba = zone.start + zone.wp;

Can we modify 2b to not use zone.start?

> 3)   writeable_lbas_left = zone.len - zone.wp;
> 4)   lbas_written = zone.wp - 1;
> 
> > The second thing I would like to know is what happens when an application
> > wants to map an object that spans multiple consecutive zones. Does the
> > application have to be aware of the difference in zone capacity and zone size?
> 
> The zoned namespace command set specification does not allow variable zone size. The zone size is fixed for all zones in a namespace. Only the zone capacity has the capability to be variable. Usually, the zone capacity is fixed, I have not yet seen implementations that have variable zone capacities.
> 

IDK where variable zone size came from. I am talking about the fact that the 
zone size does not have to equal zone capacity. 

> An application that wants to place a single object across a set of zones would have to be explicitly handled by the application. E.g., as well as the application, should be aware of a zone's capacity, it should also be aware that it should reset the set of zones and not a single zone. I.e., the application must always be aware of the zones it uses.
> 
> However, an end-user application should not (in my opinion) have to deal with this. It should use helper functions from a library that provides the appropriate abstraction to the application, such that the applications don't have to care about either specific zone capacity/size, or multiple resets. This is similar to how file systems work with file system semantics. For example, a file can span multiple extents on disk, but all an application sees is the file semantics. 
> 

I don't want to go so far as to say what the end user application should and 
should not do.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-03 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-03  0:56 [LSF/MM/BPF BoF] BoF for Zoned Storage Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-03  1:03 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-03  1:33 ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-03  4:31   ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-03  5:21     ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-03  5:32 ` Javier González
2022-03-03  6:29   ` Javier González
2022-03-03  7:54     ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-03  9:49     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-03 14:55       ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-03 15:22         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-03 17:10           ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-03 19:51             ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-03 20:18               ` Adam Manzanares [this message]
2022-03-03 21:08                 ` Javier González
2022-03-03 21:33                 ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-04 20:12                   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-06 23:54                     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-03 16:12     ` Himanshu Madhani
2022-03-03  7:21 ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-03-03  8:55   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-03  7:38 ` Kanchan Joshi
2022-03-03  8:43 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-03 18:20 ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2022-03-04  0:10 ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-04 22:10   ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-04 22:42     ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-04 22:55       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-05  7:33         ` Javier González
2022-03-07  7:12           ` Dave Chinner
2022-03-07 10:27             ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-07 11:29               ` Javier González
2022-03-11  0:49             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11  6:07               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11 20:31                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-07 13:55           ` James Bottomley
2022-03-07 14:35             ` Javier González
2022-03-07 15:15               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-07 15:28                 ` Javier González
2022-03-07 20:42                 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-11  7:21                   ` Javier González
2022-03-11  7:39                     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-11  7:42                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11  7:53                         ` Javier González
2022-03-11  8:46                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11  8:59                             ` Javier González
2022-03-12  8:03                               ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-07  0:07         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-06 23:56     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-07 15:44       ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-07 16:23         ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-07 16:36           ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-15 18:08 ` [EXT] " Luca Porzio (lporzio)
2022-03-15 18:39   ` Bart Van Assche
2022-03-15 18:47     ` Bean Huo (beanhuo)
2022-03-15 18:49       ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-15 19:04         ` Bean Huo (beanhuo)
2022-03-15 19:16           ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-15 19:59           ` Bart Van Assche

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