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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>
Cc: "Luis Chamberlain" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	"Keith Busch" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <p.raghav@samsung.com>,
	"Adam Manzanares" <a.manzanares@samsung.com>,
	"Javier González" <javier.gonz@samsung.com>,
	jiangbo.365@bytedance.com, "kanchan Joshi" <joshi.k@samsung.com>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
	"Matias Bjørling" <matias.bjorling@wdc.com>,
	"Pankaj Raghav" <pankydev8@gmail.com>,
	"Kanchan Joshi" <joshiiitr@gmail.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2022 08:35:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220314073537.GA4204@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bc0e53a9-f623-c69f-002e-d62e697a43d1@opensource.wdc.com>

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 04:58:08PM +0900, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> The reason for the power of 2 requirement is 2 fold:
> 1) At the time we added zone support for SMR, chunk_sectors had to be a
> power of 2 number of sectors.
> 2) SMR users did request power of 2 zone sizes and that all zones have
> the same size as that simplified software design. There was even a
> de-facto agreement that 256MB zone size is a good compromise between
> usability and overhead of zone reclaim/GC. But that particular number is
> for HDD due to their performance characteristics.

Also for NVMe we initially went down the road to try to support
non power of two sizes.  But there was another major early host that
really wanted the power of two zone sizes to support hardware based
hosts that can cheaply do shifts but not divisions.  The variable
zone capacity feature (something that Linux does not currently support)
is a feature requested by NVMe members on the host and device side
also can only be supported with the the zone size / zone capacity split.

> The other solution would be adding a dm-unhole target to remap sectors
> to remove the holes from the device address space. Such target would be
> easy to write, but in my opinion, this would still not change the fact
> that applications still have to deal with error recovery and active/open
> zone resources. So they still have to be zone aware and operate per zone.

I don't think we even need a new target for it.  I think you can do
this with a table using multiple dm-linear sections already if you
want.

> My answer to your last question ("Are we sure?") is thus: No. I am not
> sure this is a good idea. But as always, I would be happy to be proven
> wrong. So far, I have not seen any argument doing that.

Agreed. Supporting non-power of two sizes in the block layer is fairly
easy as shown by some of the patches seens in this series.  Supporting
them properly in the whole ecosystem is not trivial and will create a
long-term burden.  We could do that, but we'd rather have a really good
reason for it, and right now I don't see that.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-14  7:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20220308165414eucas1p106df0bd6a901931215cfab81660a4564@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53 ` [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices Pankaj Raghav
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165421eucas1p20575444f59702cd5478cb35fce8b72cd@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 1/6] nvme: zns: Allow ZNS drives that have non-power_of_2 zone size Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-08 17:14       ` Keith Busch
2022-03-08 17:43         ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:40       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 13:19         ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:44       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 13:35         ` Pankaj Raghav
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165428eucas1p14ea0a38eef47055c4fa41d695c5a249d@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 2/6] block: Add npo2_zone_setup callback to block device fops Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  3:46       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:02         ` Pankaj Raghav
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165432eucas1p18b36a238ef3f5a812ee7f9b0e52599a5@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 3/6] block: add a bool member to request_queue for power_of_2 emulation Pankaj Raghav
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165436eucas1p1b76f3cb5b4fa1f7d78b51a3b1b44d160@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 4/6] nvme: zns: Add support for power_of_2 emulation to NVMe ZNS devices Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  4:04       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:33         ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09 21:43           ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-10 20:35             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-10 23:50               ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-11  0:56                 ` Luis Chamberlain
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165443eucas1p17e61670a5057f21a6c073711b284bfeb@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 5/6] null_blk: forward the sector value from null_handle_memory_backend Pankaj Raghav
     [not found]   ` <CGME20220308165448eucas1p12c7c302a4b239db64b49d54cc3c1f0ac@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2022-03-08 16:53     ` [PATCH 6/6] null_blk: Add support for power_of_2 emulation to the null blk device Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-09  4:09       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-09 14:42         ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-10  9:47   ` [PATCH 0/6] power_of_2 emulation support for NVMe ZNS devices Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-10 12:57     ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-10 13:07       ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-10 13:14         ` Javier González
2022-03-10 14:58           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-10 15:07             ` Keith Busch
2022-03-10 15:16               ` Javier González
2022-03-10 23:44                 ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-10 15:13             ` Javier González
2022-03-10 14:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-11 20:19         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 20:51           ` Keith Busch
2022-03-11 21:04             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-11 21:31               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-11 22:24                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-12  7:58                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-14  7:35                     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2022-03-14  7:45                       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-14  7:58                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-14 10:49                         ` Javier González
2022-03-14 14:16                           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 16:23                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-14 19:30                               ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 19:51                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-15 10:45                                   ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-14 19:55                             ` Javier González
2022-03-15 12:32                               ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 13:05                                 ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:14                                   ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 13:26                                     ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:30                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-15 13:52                                         ` Javier González
2022-03-15 14:03                                           ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-15 14:14                                           ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-15 14:27                                             ` David Sterba
2022-03-15 19:56                                               ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-15 15:11                                             ` Javier González
2022-03-15 18:51                                             ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-16  8:37                                               ` Johannes Thumshirn
2022-03-15 17:00                                         ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  0:07                                           ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  0:23                                             ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  0:46                                               ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  1:24                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  1:44                                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  2:13                                                     ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  2:27                                               ` Martin K. Petersen
2022-03-16  2:41                                                 ` Luis Chamberlain
2022-03-16  8:44                                                 ` Javier González
2022-03-15 13:39                                       ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-16  0:00                                   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-03-16  8:57                                     ` Javier González
2022-03-16 16:18                                     ` Pankaj Raghav
2022-03-14  8:36                     ` Matias Bjørling
2022-03-11 22:23             ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-11 22:30               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-21 16:21             ` Jonathan Derrick
2022-03-21 16:44               ` Keith Busch
2022-03-10 17:38     ` Adam Manzanares
2022-03-14  7:36       ` Christoph Hellwig

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