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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
Cc: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
	Linux regressions mailing list <regressions@lists.linux.dev>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: API break, sysfs "capability" file
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 16:15:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240409141531.GB21514@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZhT5_fZ9SrM0053p@gardel-login>

On Tue, Apr 09, 2024 at 10:19:09AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> All I am looking for is a very simple test that returns me a boolean:
> is there kernel-level partition scanning enabled on this device or
> not.

And we can add a trivial sysfs attribute for that.

> At this point it's not clear to me if I can write this at all in
> a way that works reasonably correctly on any kernel since let's say
> 4.15 (which is systemd's "recommended baseline" right now).
> 
> I am really not sure how to salvage this mess at all. AFAICS there's
> currently no way to write such a test correctly.

You can't.  Maybe that's a lesson to not depend on undocumented internal
flags exposed by accident by a weirdo interface.  Just talk to people.

> I think it would be nice if the "capabilities" thing would be brought
> back in a limited form. For example, if it would be changed to start
> to return 0x200|0x1000 for part scanning is off, 0x1000 when it is on.
> 
> That would then mean we return to compatibility with Linux <= 5.15,
> but the new 0x1000 bit would tell us that the information is
> reliable. i.e. if userspace sees 0x1000 being set we know that the
> 0x200 bit is definitely correct. That would then just mean that
> kernels >= 5.16 until today are left in the cold...

At this point we're just better off with a clean new interface.
And you can use the old hack for < 5.15 if you care strongly enough
or just talk distros into backporting it to make their lives easier.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-09 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-08 15:13 API break, sysfs "capability" file Lennart Poettering
2024-04-08 17:43 ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-04-08 18:41   ` Keith Busch
2024-04-08 20:23     ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-08 22:41       ` Keith Busch
2024-04-09  6:09         ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-04-09  8:19         ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-09 14:15           ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-04-09 15:17             ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-16  9:26               ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-04-17 15:07                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-16 14:18               ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-16 14:22                 ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-16 14:25                   ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-16 14:33                     ` Jens Axboe
2024-04-24  8:09                       ` Linux regression tracking (Thorsten Leemhuis)
2024-04-25 13:08                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-16 14:23             ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-16 14:44               ` Keith Busch
2024-04-17 15:13                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-17 15:48                   ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-17 15:59                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-17 16:10                       ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-17 16:22                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-17 16:26                           ` Lennart Poettering
2024-04-17 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-04-18  6:28                       ` Hannes Reinecke

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