From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C7BC2BA83 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98949222C4 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726004AbgBNHdA (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2020 02:33:00 -0500 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:36972 "EHLO mx2.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728691AbgBNHdA (ORCPT ); Fri, 14 Feb 2020 02:33:00 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA16AC4B; Fri, 14 Feb 2020 07:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] NVMe HDD To: "Martin K. Petersen" , Tim Walker Cc: Damien Le Moal , Ming Lei , "linux-block@vger.kernel.org" , linux-scsi , "linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" References: <20200211122821.GA29811@ming.t460p> From: Hannes Reinecke Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=hare@suse.de; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBE6KyREBEACwRN6XKClPtxPiABx5GW+Yr1snfhjzExxkTYaINHsWHlsLg13kiemsS6o7 qrc+XP8FmhcnCOts9e2jxZxtmpB652lxRB9jZE40mcSLvYLM7S6aH0WXKn8bOqpqOGJiY2bc 6qz6rJuqkOx3YNuUgiAxjuoYauEl8dg4bzex3KGkGRuxzRlC8APjHlwmsr+ETxOLBfUoRNuE b4nUtaseMPkNDwM4L9+n9cxpGbdwX0XwKFhlQMbG3rWA3YqQYWj1erKIPpgpfM64hwsdk9zZ QO1krgfULH4poPQFpl2+yVeEMXtsSou915jn/51rBelXeLq+cjuK5+B/JZUXPnNDoxOG3j3V VSZxkxLJ8RO1YamqZZbVP6jhDQ/bLcAI3EfjVbxhw9KWrh8MxTcmyJPn3QMMEp3wpVX9nSOQ tzG72Up/Py67VQe0x8fqmu7R4MmddSbyqgHrab/Nu+ak6g2RRn3QHXAQ7PQUq55BDtj85hd9 W2iBiROhkZ/R+Q14cJkWhzaThN1sZ1zsfBNW0Im8OVn/J8bQUaS0a/NhpXJWv6J1ttkX3S0c QUratRfX4D1viAwNgoS0Joq7xIQD+CfJTax7pPn9rT////hSqJYUoMXkEz5IcO+hptCH1HF3 qz77aA5njEBQrDRlslUBkCZ5P+QvZgJDy0C3xRGdg6ZVXEXJOQARAQABtCpIYW5uZXMgUmVp bmVja2UgKFN1U0UgTGFicykgPGhhcmVAc3VzZS5kZT6JAkEEEwECACsCGwMFCRLMAwAGCwkI BwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheABQJOisquAhkBAAoJEGz4yi9OyKjPOHoQAJLeLvr6JNHx GPcHXaJLHQiinz2QP0/wtsT8+hE26dLzxb7hgxLafj9XlAXOG3FhGd+ySlQ5wSbbjdxNjgsq FIjqQ88/Lk1NfnqG5aUTPmhEF+PzkPogEV7Pm5Q17ap22VK623MPaltEba+ly6/pGOODbKBH ak3gqa7Gro5YCQzNU0QVtMpWyeGF7xQK76DY/atvAtuVPBJHER+RPIF7iv5J3/GFIfdrM+wS BubFVDOibgM7UBnpa7aohZ9RgPkzJpzECsbmbttxYaiv8+EOwark4VjvOne8dRaj50qeyJH6 HLpBXZDJH5ZcYJPMgunghSqghgfuUsd5fHmjFr3hDb5EoqAfgiRMSDom7wLZ9TGtT6viDldv hfWaIOD5UhpNYxfNgH6Y102gtMmN4o2P6g3UbZK1diH13s9DA5vI2mO2krGz2c5BOBmcctE5 iS+JWiCizOqia5Op+B/tUNye/YIXSC4oMR++Fgt30OEafB8twxydMAE3HmY+foawCpGq06yM vAguLzvm7f6wAPesDAO9vxRNC5y7JeN4Kytl561ciTICmBR80Pdgs/Obj2DwM6dvHquQbQrU Op4XtD3eGUW4qgD99DrMXqCcSXX/uay9kOG+fQBfK39jkPKZEuEV2QdpE4Pry36SUGfohSNq xXW+bMc6P+irTT39VWFUJMcSuQINBE6KyREBEACvEJggkGC42huFAqJcOcLqnjK83t4TVwEn JRisbY/VdeZIHTGtcGLqsALDzk+bEAcZapguzfp7cySzvuR6Hyq7hKEjEHAZmI/3IDc9nbdh EgdCiFatah0XZ/p4vp7KAelYqbv8YF/ORLylAdLh9rzLR6yHFqVaR4WL4pl4kEWwFhNSHLxe 55G56/dxBuoj4RrFoX3ynerXfbp4dH2KArPc0NfoamqebuGNfEQmDbtnCGE5zKcR0zvmXsRp qU7+caufueZyLwjTU+y5p34U4PlOO2Q7/bdaPEdXfpgvSpWk1o3H36LvkPV/PGGDCLzaNn04 BdiiiPEHwoIjCXOAcR+4+eqM4TSwVpTn6SNgbHLjAhCwCDyggK+3qEGJph+WNtNU7uFfscSP k4jqlxc8P+hn9IqaMWaeX9nBEaiKffR7OKjMdtFFnBRSXiW/kOKuuRdeDjL5gWJjY+IpdafP KhjvUFtfSwGdrDUh3SvB5knSixE3qbxbhbNxmqDVzyzMwunFANujyyVizS31DnWC6tKzANkC k15CyeFC6sFFu+WpRxvC6fzQTLI5CRGAB6FAxz8Hu5rpNNZHsbYs9Vfr/BJuSUfRI/12eOCL IvxRPpmMOlcI4WDW3EDkzqNAXn5Onx/b0rFGFpM4GmSPriEJdBb4M4pSD6fN6Y/Jrng/Bdwk SQARAQABiQIlBBgBAgAPBQJOiskRAhsMBQkSzAMAAAoJEGz4yi9OyKjPgEwQAIP/gy/Xqc1q OpzfFScswk3CEoZWSqHxn/fZasa4IzkwhTUmukuIvRew+BzwvrTxhHcz9qQ8hX7iDPTZBcUt ovWPxz+3XfbGqE+q0JunlIsP4N+K/I10nyoGdoFpMFMfDnAiMUiUatHRf9Wsif/nT6oRiPNJ T0EbbeSyIYe+ZOMFfZBVGPqBCbe8YMI+JiZeez8L9JtegxQ6O3EMQ//1eoPJ5mv5lWXLFQfx f4rAcKseM8DE6xs1+1AIsSIG6H+EE3tVm+GdCkBaVAZo2VMVapx9k8RMSlW7vlGEQsHtI0FT c1XNOCGjaP4ITYUiOpfkh+N0nUZVRTxWnJqVPGZ2Nt7xCk7eoJWTSMWmodFlsKSgfblXVfdM 9qoNScM3u0b9iYYuw/ijZ7VtYXFuQdh0XMM/V6zFrLnnhNmg0pnK6hO1LUgZlrxHwLZk5X8F uD/0MCbPmsYUMHPuJd5dSLUFTlejVXIbKTSAMd0tDSP5Ms8Ds84z5eHreiy1ijatqRFWFJRp ZtWlhGRERnDH17PUXDglsOA08HCls0PHx8itYsjYCAyETlxlLApXWdVl9YVwbQpQ+i693t/Y PGu8jotn0++P19d3JwXW8t6TVvBIQ1dRZHx1IxGLMn+CkDJMOmHAUMWTAXX2rf5tUjas8/v2 azzYF4VRJsdl+d0MCaSy8mUh Message-ID: <2d66bb0b-29ca-6888-79ce-9e3518ee4b61@suse.de> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 08:32:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-block-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-block@vger.kernel.org On 2/13/20 5:17 AM, Martin K. Petersen wrote: > > Tim, > >> SAS currently supports QD256, but the general consensus is that most >> customers don't run anywhere near that deep. Does it help the system >> for the HD to report a limited (256) max queue depth, or is it really >> up to the system to decide many commands to queue? > > People often artificially lower the queue depth to avoid timeouts. The > default timeout is 30 seconds from an I/O is queued. However, many > enterprise applications set the timeout to 3-5 seconds. Which means that > with deep queues you'll quickly start seeing timeouts if a drive > temporarily is having issues keeping up (media errors, excessive spare > track seeks, etc.). > > Well-behaved devices will return QF/TSF if they have transient resource > starvation or exceed internal QoS limits. QF will cause the SCSI stack > to reduce the number of I/Os in flight. This allows the drive to recover > from its congested state and reduces the potential of application and > filesystem timeouts. > This may even be a chance to revisit QoS / queue busy handling. NVMe has this SQ head pointer mechanism which was supposed to handle this kind of situations, but to my knowledge no-one has been implementing it. Might be worthwhile revisiting it; guess NVMe HDDs would profit from that. Cheers, Hannes -- Dr. Hannes Reinecke Kernel Storage Architect hare@suse.de +49 911 74053 688 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg HRB 36809 (AG Nürnberg), GF: Felix Imendörffer