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From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"open list:BLOCK LAYER" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] block: Annotate a racy read in blk_do_io_stat()
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 13:30:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4d230bac-bdb0-4a01-8006-e95156965aa8@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c83d9c25-b839-4e31-8dd4-85f3cb938653@paulmck-laptop>

On 5/10/24 10:08 AM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> To see that, consider a variable that is supposed to be accessed only
> under a lock (aside from the debugging/statistical access).  Under RCU's
> KCSAN rules, marking those debugging/statistical accesses with READ_ONCE()
> would require all the updates to be marked with WRITE_ONCE().  Which would
> prevent KCSAN from noticing a buggy lockless WRITE_ONCE() update of
> that variable.
> 
> In contrast, if we use data_race() for the debugging/statistical accesses
> and leave the normal lock-protected accesses unmarked (as normal
> C-language accesses), then KCSAN will complain about buggy lockless
> accesses, even if they are marked with READ_ONCE() or WRITE_ONCE().
> 
> Does that help, or am I missing your point?

Thanks, that's very helpful. Has it been considered to add this
explanation as a comment above the data_race() macro definition?
There may be other kernel developers who are wondering about when
to use data_race() and when to use READ_ONCE().

Thanks,

Bart.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-10 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-10 14:19 [PATCH] block: Annotate a racy read in blk_do_io_stat() Breno Leitao
2024-05-10 14:28 ` Bart Van Assche
2024-05-10 14:57   ` Breno Leitao
2024-05-10 15:41   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 16:20     ` Bart Van Assche
2024-05-10 17:08       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 20:30         ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2024-05-10 22:35           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 23:22             ` Bart Van Assche
2024-05-11  0:41               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-13  8:13                 ` Marco Elver
2024-05-14 23:47                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-15  7:58                     ` Marco Elver
2024-05-15 12:48                       ` Breno Leitao
2024-05-15 13:20                         ` Marco Elver
2024-05-15 15:57                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-15 17:40                         ` Marco Elver
2024-05-15 21:51                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-16  6:35                             ` Marco Elver
2024-05-20 18:05                               ` Paul E. McKenney

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