From: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
Cc: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/14] block: Allow REQ_FUA|REQ_READ
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 14:13:14 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <566e4f59-4aaa-4d8e-b61f-b27cf79c1201@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9iIa770ySTgKgp0@kbusch-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>
On 3/17/25 1:39 PM, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 03:40:10PM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
>> If, OTOH, this is just something that hasn't come up before - the
>> language in the spec is already there, so once code is out there with
>> enough users and a demonstrated use case then it might be a pretty
>> simple nudge - "shoot down this range of the cache, don't just flush it"
>> is a pretty simple code change, as far as these things go.
>
> So you're telling me you've never written SSD firmware then waited for
> the manufacturer to release it to your users? Yes, I jest, and maybe
> YMMV; but relying on that process is putting your destiny in the wrong
> hands.
As far as I know in the Linux kernel we only support storage device
behavior that has been standardized and also workarounds for bugs. I'm
not sure we should support behavior in the Linux kernel that deviates
from existing standards and that also deviates from longstanding and
well-established conventions.
Bart.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-17 21:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-11 20:15 [PATCH 00/14] better handling of checksum errors/bitrot Kent Overstreet
2025-03-11 20:15 ` [PATCH 13/14] block: Allow REQ_FUA|REQ_READ Kent Overstreet
2025-03-15 16:47 ` Jens Axboe
2025-03-15 17:01 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-15 17:03 ` Jens Axboe
2025-03-15 17:27 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-15 17:43 ` Jens Axboe
2025-03-15 18:07 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-15 18:32 ` Jens Axboe
2025-03-15 18:41 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17 12:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 14:13 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-17 14:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 15:15 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-17 15:22 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 15:30 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-03-17 15:43 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 17:57 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-03-17 18:21 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 19:24 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-17 19:40 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 20:39 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-17 21:13 ` Bart Van Assche [this message]
2025-03-18 1:06 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-18 6:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18 17:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2025-03-18 18:00 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-18 18:10 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-18 18:13 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-20 5:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20 10:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-18 0:27 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-18 6:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18 21:33 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-17 17:32 ` Keith Busch
2025-03-18 6:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18 6:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-17 20:55 ` [PATCH 00/14] better handling of checksum errors/bitrot John Stoffel
2025-03-18 1:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-18 14:47 ` John Stoffel
2025-03-20 17:15 ` Kent Overstreet
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