From: John Garry <john.g.garry@oracle.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Do we need an opt-in for file systems use of hw atomic writes?
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 14:39:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c3e1c90-1d3d-4567-a392-85870226144f@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250714131713.GA8742@lst.de>
On 14/07/2025 14:17, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm currently trying to sort out the nvme atomics limits mess, and
> between that, the lack of a atomic write command in nvme, and the
> overall degrading quality of cheap consumer nvme devices I'm starting
> to free really uneasy about XFS using hardware atomics by default without
> an explicit opt-in, as broken atomics implementations will lead to
> really subtle data corruption.
>
> Is is just me, or would it be a good idea to require an explicit
> opt-in to user hardware atomics?
But isn't this just an NVMe issue? I would assume that we would look at
such an option in the NVMe driver (to opt in when we are concerned about
the implementation), and not the FS. SCSI is ok AFAIK.
And we also have bdev fops supporting atomic writes, so any opt in
method needs to cover that.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-14 13:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-14 13:17 Do we need an opt-in for file systems use of hw atomic writes? Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 13:24 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-14 13:30 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 16:04 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-07-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 3:22 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-07-15 6:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 12:45 ` Martin K. Petersen
2025-07-14 13:39 ` John Garry [this message]
2025-07-14 13:50 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-14 15:53 ` John Garry
2025-07-15 6:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 8:42 ` John Garry
2025-07-15 9:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-19 11:42 ` John Garry
2025-08-19 13:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-19 14:36 ` John Garry
2025-08-19 14:43 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-08-19 14:45 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-08-21 14:01 ` Keith Busch
2025-07-15 10:02 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-15 11:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 12:20 ` Christian Brauner
2025-07-15 11:58 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-07-14 20:53 ` Dave Chinner
2025-07-15 6:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-07-15 20:56 ` Keith Busch
2025-07-16 5:50 ` Nilay Shroff
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