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From: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
To: Jack Wang <jack.wang.usish@gmail.com>
Cc: Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>,
	linux-raid <linux-raid@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hare@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC] add "failfast" support for raid1/raid10.
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2016 15:47:19 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877f7tbi20.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+res+TZD2Lx4CaGPx6SjTc6VKGLUc=qyYBgi15oSYU1bBuHew@mail.gmail.com>

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On Sat, Nov 19 2016, Jack Wang wrote:

> 2016-11-18 6:16 GMT+01:00 NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>>  I've been sitting on these patches for a while because although they
>>  solve a real problem, it is a fairly limited use-case, and I don't
>>  really like some of the details.
>>
>>  So I'm posting them as RFC in the hope that a different perspective
>>  might help me like them better, or find a better approach.
>>
>>  The core idea is that when you have multiple copies of data
>>  (i.e. mirrored drives) it doesn't make sense to wait for a read from
>>  a drive that seems to be having problems.  It will probably be faster
>>  to just cancel that read, and read from the other device.
>>  Similarly, in some circumstances, it might be better to fail a drive
>>  that is being slow to respond to writes, rather than cause all writes
>>  to be very slow.
>>
>>  The particular context where this comes up is when mirroring across
>>  storage arrays, where the storage arrays can temporarily take an
>>  unusually long time to respond to requests (firmware updates have
>>  been mentioned).  As the array will have redundancy internally, there
>>  is little risk to the data.  The mirrored pair is really only for
>>  disaster recovery, and it is deemed better to lose the last few
>>  minutes of updates in the case of a serious disaster, rather than
>>  occasionally having latency issues because one array needs to do some
>>  maintenance for a few minutes.  The particular storage arrays in
>>  question are DASD devices which are part of the s390 ecosystem.
>
> Hi Neil,
>
> Thanks for pushing this feature also to mainline.
> We at Profitbricks use raid1 across IB network, one pserver with
> raid1, both legs on 2 remote storages.
> We've noticed if one remote storage crash , and raid1 still keep
> sending IO to the faulty leg, even after 5 minutes,
> md still redirect I/Os, and md refuse to remove active disks, eg:

That make sense.  It cannot remove the active disk until all pending IO
completes, either with an error or with success.

If the target has a long timeout, that can delay progress a lot.

>
> I tried to port you patch from SLES[1], with the patchset, it reduce
> the time to ~30 seconds.
>
> I'm happy to see this feature upstream :)
> I will test again this new patchset.

Thanks for your confirmation that this is more generally useful than I
thought, and I'm always happy to hear for more testing :-)

Thanks,
NeilBrown

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-24  4:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-18  5:16 [PATCH/RFC] add "failfast" support for raid1/raid10 NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 1/6] md/failfast: add failfast flag for md to be used by some personalities NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 2/6] md: Use REQ_FAILFAST_* on metadata writes where appropriate NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 5/6] md/raid10: add failfast handling for reads NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 4/6] md/raid1: add failfast handling for writes NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 3/6] md/raid1: add failfast handling for reads NeilBrown
2016-11-18  5:16 ` [md PATCH 6/6] md/raid10: add failfast handling for writes NeilBrown
2016-11-18  7:09 ` [PATCH/RFC] add "failfast" support for raid1/raid10 Hannes Reinecke
2016-11-18 15:41 ` Jack Wang
2016-11-24  4:47   ` NeilBrown [this message]
2016-11-24 16:06     ` Jack Wang
2016-11-22  2:02 ` Shaohua Li
2016-11-24 23:55   ` [mdadm PATCH] Add failfast support NeilBrown
2016-11-28 13:53     ` Jes Sorensen

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