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From: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 4/9] ext4: support STATX_DIOALIGN
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:05:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YtrY3A/nC023v+/V@mit.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220722071228.146690-5-ebiggers@kernel.org>

On Fri, Jul 22, 2022 at 12:12:23AM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> -static bool ext4_dio_supported(struct kiocb *iocb, struct iov_iter *iter)
> +/*
> + * Returns %true if the given DIO request should be attempted with DIO, or
> + * %false if it should fall back to buffered I/O.
> + *
> + * DIO isn't well specified; when it's unsupported (either due to the request
> + * being misaligned, or due to the file not supporting DIO at all), filesystems
> + * either fall back to buffered I/O or return EINVAL.  For files that don't use
> + * any special features like encryption or verity, ext4 has traditionally
> + * returned EINVAL for misaligned DIO.  iomap_dio_rw() uses this convention too.
> + * In this case, we should attempt the DIO, *not* fall back to buffered I/O.
> + *
> + * In contrast, in cases where DIO is unsupported due to ext4 features, ext4
> + * traditionally falls back to buffered I/O.
> + *
> + * This function implements the traditional ext4 behavior in all these cases.

Heh.  I had been under the impression that misaligned I/O fell back to
buffered I/O for ext4, since that's what a lot of historical Unix
systems did.  Obviously, it's not something I've tested since "you
should never do that".

There's actually some interesting discussion about what Linux *should*
be doing in the futre in this discussion:

https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-ext4/patch/1461472078-20104-1-git-send-email-tytso@mit.edu/

Including the following from Christoph Hellwig:

https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-ext4/patch/1461472078-20104-1-git-send-email-tytso@mit.edu/#1335016

> I've been doing an audit of our direct I/O implementations, and most
> of them does some form of transparent fallback, including some that
> only pretend to support O_DIRECT, but do anything special for it at all,
> while at the same time we go through greast efforts to check a file
> system actualy supports direct I/O, leading to nasty no-op ->direct_IO
> implementations as we even got that abstraction wrong.
> 
> At this point I wonder if we should simply treat O_DIRECT as a hint
> and always allow it, and just let the file system optimize for it
> (skip buffering, require alignment, relaxed Posix atomicy requirements)
> if it is set.

The thread also mentioned XFS_IOC_DIOINFO and how We Really Should
have something with equivalent functionality to the VFS --- six years
ago.  :-)


Anyway, this change to ext4 looks good.

Acked-by: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>

							- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-22 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-22  7:12 [PATCH v4 0/9] make statx() return DIO alignment information Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 1/9] statx: add direct I/O " Eric Biggers
2022-07-22 16:32   ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-07-22 17:31   ` Martin K. Petersen
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 2/9] vfs: support STATX_DIOALIGN on block devices Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  8:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-22 17:32   ` Martin K. Petersen
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 3/9] fscrypt: change fscrypt_dio_supported() to prepare for STATX_DIOALIGN Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  8:10   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 4/9] ext4: support STATX_DIOALIGN Eric Biggers
2022-07-22 17:05   ` Theodore Ts'o [this message]
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 5/9] f2fs: move f2fs_force_buffered_io() into file.c Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 6/9] f2fs: don't allow DIO reads but not DIO writes Eric Biggers
2022-07-24  2:01   ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-07-25 18:12     ` Eric Biggers
2022-07-25 23:58       ` Andreas Dilger
2022-07-31  3:08       ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-08-16  0:55         ` Eric Biggers
2022-08-16  9:03           ` Dave Chinner
2022-08-16 16:42             ` Andreas Dilger
2022-08-19 23:09               ` Eric Biggers
2022-08-23  3:22                 ` Andreas Dilger
2022-08-20  0:06           ` Jaegeuk Kim
2022-08-20  0:33             ` Eric Biggers
2022-08-21  8:53           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 7/9] f2fs: simplify f2fs_force_buffered_io() Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 8/9] f2fs: support STATX_DIOALIGN Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  7:12 ` [PATCH v4 9/9] xfs: " Eric Biggers
2022-07-22  8:11   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-07-22 16:24   ` Darrick J. Wong
2022-08-26 17:19 ` [PATCH v4 0/9] make statx() return DIO alignment information Jeff Layton
2022-08-27  7:07   ` Eric Biggers

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