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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Jooyung Han <jooyung@google.com>,
	Alasdair Kergon <agk@redhat.com>,
	Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>,
	Heinz Mauelshagen <heinzm@redhat.com>,
	zkabelac@redhat.com, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] the dm-loop target
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 09:36:22 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9I2lm31KOQ784nb@fedora> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9FFTiuMC8WD6qMH@fedora>

On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 04:27:12PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 01:34:02PM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:

...

> 
> block layer/storage has many optimization for batching handling, if IOs
> are submitted from many contexts:
> 
> - this batch handling optimization is gone
> 
> - IO is re-ordered from underlying hardware viewpoint
> 
> - more contention from FS write lock, because loop has single back file.
> 
> That is why the single task context is taken from the beginning of loop aio,
> and it performs pretty well for sequential IO workloads, as I shown
> in the zloop example.
> 
> > 
> > > It isn't perfect, sometime it may be slower than running on io-wq
> > > directly.
> > > 
> > > But is there any better way for covering everything?
> > 
> > Yes - fix the loop queue workers.
> 
> What you suggested is threaded aio by submitting IO concurrently from
> different task context, this way is not the most efficient one, otherwise
> modern language won't invent async/.await.
> 
> In my test VM, by running Mikulas's fio script on loop/nvme by the attached
> threaded_aio patch:
> 
> NOWAIT with MQ 4		:   70K iops(read), 70K iops(write), cpu util: 40%
> threaded_aio with MQ 4	:	64k iops(read), 64K iops(write), cpu util: 52% 
> in tree loop(SQ)		:   58K	iops(read), 58K iops(write)	
> 
> Mikulas, please feel free to run your tests with threaded_aio:
> 
> 	modprobe loop nr_hw_queues=4 threaded_aio=1
> 
> by applying the attached the patch over the loop patchset.
> 
> The performance gap could be more obvious in fast hardware.

For the normal single job sequential WRITE workload, on same test VM, still
loop over /dev/nvme0n1, and running fio over loop directly:

fio --direct=1 --bs=4k --runtime=40 --time_based --numjobs=1 --ioengine=libaio \
	--iodepth=16 --group_reporting=1 --filename=/dev/loop0 -name=job --rw=write

threaded_aio(SQ)	:	81k  iops(write), cpu util: 20% 
in tree loop(SQ)	:   100K iops(write), cpu util: 7%	


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <7d6ae2c9-df8e-50d0-7ad6-b787cb3cfab4@redhat.com>
2025-03-03 13:59 ` [PATCH] the dm-loop target Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]   ` <CAM23VxprhJgOPfhxQf6QNWzHd6+-ZwbjSo-oMHCD2WDQiKntMg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-03 15:13     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-03 15:22       ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-03-03 15:31         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]       ` <CAM23VxprSduDDK8qvLVkUt9WWmLMPFjhqKB8X4e6gw7Wv-6R2w@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-03 17:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <CAM23Vxoxyrf9nwJd1Xe8uncAPiyK8yaNZNsugwX8p=qo1n6yVg@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-04 13:52             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-03 16:16   ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-03 17:24     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-03 21:03       ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-04  2:13         ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-04 11:18           ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-04 13:50             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-05  0:01             ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-07 15:21               ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-08  3:49                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-03-08 20:45                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-09  0:05                 ` Ming Lei
2025-03-10 11:18                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-11  1:27                     ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-11 10:43                       ` Ming Lei
2025-03-12  2:34                         ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-12  6:24                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-12  8:26                           ` Ming Lei
2025-03-13  1:36                             ` Ming Lei [this message]
2025-03-13 16:36                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-18  4:27                               ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-18  7:57                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  9:34                                   ` Ming Lei
2025-03-20  7:08                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20  7:41                                       ` Ming Lei
2025-03-20 14:22                                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-20 14:36                                           ` Ming Lei
2025-03-25 10:15                                         ` Dave Chinner
2025-03-25 12:23                                           ` Ming Lei
2025-03-09  0:16                 ` Ming Lei
2025-03-10 11:20                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-04 13:49         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]           ` <CAM23Vxr=fKy-0L1R5P-5h6A95acKT_d=CC1E+TAzAs8v6q9gHw@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-04 16:04             ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found]               ` <CAM23VxqJX46DCpCiH5qxPpDLtMVg87Ba8sx55aQ4hvt-XaHzuQ@mail.gmail.com>
2025-03-04 17:17                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-12 13:26           ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-12 14:20             ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-12 16:09               ` Kent Overstreet
2025-03-13 12:44                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-13 16:21               ` Mikulas Patocka
2025-03-13 16:33                 ` Kent Overstreet

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