From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: Matt Fleming <mfleming@cloudflare.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-team <kernel-team@cloudflare.com>
Subject: Re: 10x I/O await times in 6.12
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2025 12:53:29 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aAaUKenXzkFPZaMb@kbusch-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGis_TXyPtFiE=pLrLRh1MV3meE4aETi6z36NWLrMkYKkcjGNQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 07:35:24PM +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2025 at 16:22, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 09:53:10AM +0100, Matt Fleming wrote:
> > > Hey there,
> > >
> > > We're moving to 6.12 at Cloudflare and noticed that write await times
> > > in iostat are 10x what they were in 6.6. After a bit of bpftracing
> > > (script to find all plug times above 10ms below), it seems like this
> > > is an accounting error caused by the plug->cur_ktime optimisation
> > > rather than anything more material.
> > >
> > > It appears as though a task can enter __submit_bio() with ->plug set
> > > and a very stale cur_ktime value on the order of milliseconds. Is this
> > > expected behaviour? It looks like it leads to inaccurate I/O times.
> >
> > There are places with a block plug that call cond_resched(), which
> > doesn't invalidate the plug's cached ktime. You could end up with a
> > stale ktime if your process is scheduled out.
>
> Is that intentional? I know the cached time is invalidated when
> calling schedule(). Does the invalidation need to get pushed down into
> __schedule_loop()?
>
Not sure. I'm also guessing cond_resched is the reason for your
observation, so that might be worth confirming is happening in whatever
IO paths you're workload is taking in case there's some other
explanation.
fs-writeback happens to work around it by unplugging if it knows
cond_resched is going to schedule. The decision to unplug here wasn't
necessarily because of the plug's ktime, but it gets the job done:
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/fs/fs-writeback.c?h=v6.15-rc3#n1984
Doesn't really scale well to copy this for every caller of
cond_resched(), though. An io specific helper implementation of
cond_resched might help.
Or if we don't want cond_resched to unplug (though I feel like you would
normally want that), I think we could invalidate the ktime when
scheduling to get the stats to read the current ktime after the process
is scheduled back in.
---
--- a/kernel/sched/core.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/core.c
@@ -6978,6 +6978,9 @@ static void __sched notrace preempt_schedule_common(void)
* between schedule and now.
*/
} while (need_resched());
+
+ if (current->flags & PF_BLOCK_TS)
+ blk_plug_invalidate_ts(current);
}
#ifdef CONFIG_PREEMPTION
--
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-21 18:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-21 8:53 10x I/O await times in 6.12 Matt Fleming
2025-04-21 12:21 ` Yu Kuai
2025-04-23 10:51 ` Matt Fleming
2025-04-24 2:35 ` Yu Kuai
2025-05-01 9:52 ` Matt Fleming
2026-04-23 18:18 ` Matt Fleming
2025-04-21 15:22 ` Keith Busch
2025-04-21 18:35 ` Matt Fleming
2025-04-21 18:53 ` Keith Busch [this message]
2025-04-21 19:10 ` Matt Fleming
2025-04-22 1:39 ` Yu Kuai
2025-04-22 1:28 ` Yu Kuai
2025-04-22 1:39 ` Keith Busch
2025-04-22 3:02 ` Yu Kuai
2025-04-22 10:45 ` Matt Fleming
2025-04-23 3:36 ` Yu Kuai
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