From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>,
Trond Myklebust <trondmy@kernel.org>,
Anna Schumaker <anna@kernel.org>,
Mike Marshall <hubcap@omnibond.com>,
Martin Brandenburg <martin@omnibond.com>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org,
fuse-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
devel@lists.orangefs.org, Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] fuse: Use filemap_invalidate_pages()
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2026 19:17:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aoyKxvdQdeJQfPHj@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegv3Ak+qNLb=fTSCSz7-taQ3Ui-Hkmqgn4PaGPe=CR4cbQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 03:49:37PM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 at 15:29, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2026 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>
> > > Maybe add a variant that takes that lock?
> >
> > I don't understand what use that would be. As soon as that function
> > drops the lock, the pages could be reinstated. If the caller needs the
> > pages to not come back, it must need to hold the invalidate_lock across
> > the whole operation.
>
> invalidate_inode_pages2_range() together with launder_page guaranteed
> that no dirty data remained in the cache after that call. Yes, the
> pages can be reinstated after that but those need faults and the
> server can then serialize those against the invalidation.
>
> I don't see that guarantee with the filemap_write_and_wait_range()
> (with or without invalidate_lock actually) since the mapping can be
> dirtied again without the filesystem's knowledge.
>
> Am I missing something?
Well, one of us is!
Before:
fuse_open()
invalidate_inode_pages2()
folio_lock()
folio_unmap_invalidate()
folio_launder()
folio_unlock()
After:
fuse_open()
filemap_invalidate_pages()
filemap_write_and_wait_range()
invalidate_inode_pages2_range()
folio_lock()
folio_unmap_invalidate()
folio_test_dirty()
folio_unlock()
so what's the serialisation that the filesystem can perform in the first
case that it can't perform in the second case?
or alternatively, what's the serialisation that would be useful by
adding a lock/unlock of the invalidate_lock inside
filemap_invalidate_pages()?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-24 18:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-20 19:33 [PATCH 0/7] Remove aops->launder_folio Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 1/7] filemap: Export filemap_invalidate_pages() to modules Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 2/7] fuse: Use filemap_invalidate_pages() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 20:37 ` Bernd Schubert
2026-08-24 9:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-24 13:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-24 13:49 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-24 18:17 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2026-08-24 19:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-24 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-25 7:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 3/7] btrfs: " Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-24 21:57 ` Boris Burkov
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 4/7] nfs: " Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 5/7] orangefs: " Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 6/7] orangefs: Remove launder_folio implementation Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-20 19:33 ` [PATCH 7/7] Remove folio_launder() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2026-08-25 15:50 ` [PATCH 0/7] Remove aops->launder_folio Jan Kara
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