From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
martin.petersen@oracle.com, Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
Cc: alim.akhtar@samsung.com, avri.altman@wdc.com,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] scsi: ufs: mark HPB support as BROKEN
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:10:37 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c3d85be5-2708-ea50-09ac-2285928bbe0e@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4438ab72-7da0-33de-ecc9-91c3c179eca7@acm.org>
On 10/26/21 12:05 PM, Bart Van Assche wrote:
> On 10/26/21 10:25 AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 10/26/21 11:19 AM, James Bottomley wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2021-10-26 at 09:36 -0700, Bart Van Assche wrote:
>>>> On 10/26/21 12:12 AM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>>> The HPB support added this merge window is fundanetally flawed as
>>>>> it
>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>> fundanetally ->
>>>> fundamentally
>>>>
>>>> Since the implementation can be reworked not to use
>>>> blk_insert_cloned_request() I'm not sure using the word
>>>> "fundamentally" is appropriate.
>>>
>>> I'm not so sure about that. The READ BUFFER implementation runs from a
>>> work queue and looks fine. The WRITE BUFFER implementation is trying
>>> to spawn a second command to precede the queued command which is a
>>> fundamental problem for the block API. It's not clear to me that the
>>> WRITE BUFFER can be fixed because of the tying to the sent command ...
>>> but like I said, the standard is proprietary so I can't look at it to
>>> see if there are alternative ways of achieving the same effect.
>>
>> Is there a model in which this can actually work? If not, or if we
>> aren't sure, I think we'd be better off just reverting the parts
>> involved with that block layer misuse. Simply marking it broken is a
>> half measure that doesn't really solve anything (except send a message).
>>
>> IMHO, it should be reverted and the clone usage we currently export be
>> moved into dm for now. That'll prevent further abuse of this in the
>> future.
>
> Hi Jens and James,
>
> This is what I found in the HPB 2.0 specification (the spec is
> copyrighted but I assume that I have the right to quote small parts of
> that spec):
>
> <quote>
> 6.3 HPB WRITE BUFFER Command
>
> HPB WRITE BUFFER command have following 3 different function depending
> on the value of BUFFER_ID field.
> 1) Inactivating an HPB Region (supported in host control mode only)
> 2) prefetching HPB Entries from the host to the device (supported in any
> control mode)
> 3) Inactivating all HPB Regions, except for Provisioning Pinned Region
> in the host (supported in device control mode only)
> </quote>
>
> Reverting only the problematic code (HPB 2.0) sounds reasonable to me
> because reworking the HPB 2.0 code will be nontrivial.
Then let's please go ahead and do that. I'm assuming this is a smaller
set than what Christoph originally posted, who's taking on the job of
lining it up?
> Using BLK_MQ_F_BLOCKING might be a viable approach. However, I don't
> want to see that flag enabled in the UFS driver if HPB is not used
> because of the negative performance effects of that flag.
Agree, and if we do just the problematic revert, then the decision on
whether BLK_MQ_F_BLOCKING is useful or not belongs to whoever reworks
the WRITE BUFFER code and reposts that support.
--
Jens Axboe
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-26 18:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-26 7:12 [PATCH] scsi: ufs: mark HPB support as BROKEN Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-26 7:18 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-10-26 7:24 ` Damien Le Moal
2021-10-26 13:04 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-26 16:36 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-26 17:19 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-26 17:25 ` Jens Axboe
2021-10-26 18:05 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-26 18:10 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2021-10-26 18:18 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-26 18:27 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-10-26 20:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-26 22:22 ` Daejun Park
2021-10-27 5:27 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-27 12:20 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-28 20:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-28 20:33 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-28 20:53 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-28 21:14 ` Daejun Park
2021-10-27 13:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-27 14:12 ` Keith Busch
2021-10-27 14:38 ` Jens Axboe
2021-10-27 14:43 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-27 15:03 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-27 15:06 ` Jens Axboe
2021-10-27 15:16 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-27 15:44 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-10-27 15:58 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-27 16:16 ` Keith Busch
2021-10-27 16:19 ` Jens Axboe
2021-10-28 0:42 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-28 1:10 ` Daejun Park
2021-10-28 2:07 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-27 16:59 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-10-27 15:35 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-10-27 15:40 ` Jens Axboe
2021-10-27 16:16 ` Martin K. Petersen
2021-10-27 17:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2021-10-28 1:32 ` Ming Lei
2021-10-29 10:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-10-29 11:39 ` James Bottomley
2021-10-29 13:35 ` Avri Altman
2021-10-29 13:44 ` James Bottomley
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