From: Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: "Sagi Grimberg" <sagi@grimberg.me>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
"Stephen Bates" <sbates@raithlin.com>,
"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>, "Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
"Keith Busch" <keith.busch@intel.com>,
"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
"Max Gurtovoy" <maxg@mellanox.com>,
"Dan Williams" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
"Benjamin Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
"Steve Wise" <swise@opengridcomputing.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/10] nvmet: Optionally use PCI P2P memory
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:56:38 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cd55324c-f5bb-6bfb-a7b3-e128c797ca6b@deltatee.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180301224540.GL19007@ziepe.ca>
On 01/03/18 03:45 PM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> I can appreciate you might have some special use case for that, but it
> absolutely should require special configuration and not just magically
> happen.
Well if driver doesn't want someone doing p2p transfers with the memory
it shouldn't publish it to be used for exactly that purpose.
> You bring up IB adaptor memory - if we put that into the allocator
> then what is to stop the NMVe driver just using it instead of the CMB
> buffer? That would be totally wrong in almost all cases.
If you mean for SQEs in the NVMe driver, look at the code, it
specifically allocates it from it's own device. If you mean the
nvmet-rdma then it's using that memory exactly as it was meant to.
Again, if the IB driver doesn't want someone to use that memory for P2P
transfers it shouldn't publish it as such.
> Seems like a very subtle and hard to debug performance trap to leave
> for the users, and pretty much the only reason to use P2P is
> performance... So why have such a dangerous interface?
It's not at all dangerous, the code specifically only uses P2P memory
that's local enough. And the majority of the code is there to make sure
it will all work in all cases.
Honestly, though, I'd love to go back to the case where the user selects
which p2pmem device to use, but that was very unpopular last year. It
would simplify a bunch of things though.
Also, no, the reason to use P2P is not performance. Only if you have
very specific hardware can you get a performance bump and it isn't all
that significant. The reason to use P2P is so you can design performant
systems with small CPUs, less or slower DRAM, and low lane counts to the
CPU, etc.
Logan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-03-01 22:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-28 23:39 [PATCH v2 00/10] Copy Offload in NVMe Fabrics with P2P PCI Memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] PCI/P2PDMA: Support peer to peer memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 17:37 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-01 18:55 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:00 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-01 23:06 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:14 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 23:45 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-02-28 23:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] PCI/P2PDMA: Add sysfs group to display p2pmem stats Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 17:44 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-02 0:15 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-02 0:36 ` Dan Williams
2018-03-02 0:37 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] PCI/P2PDMA: Add PCI p2pmem dma mappings to adjust the bus offset Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 17:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-01 19:36 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] PCI/P2PDMA: Clear ACS P2P flags for all devices behind switches Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 18:02 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-01 18:54 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 21:21 ` Alex Williamson
2018-03-01 21:26 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:32 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 21:35 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-01 21:37 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:15 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-01 23:59 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 19:13 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 22:28 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-03-05 23:01 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] block: Introduce PCI P2P flags for request and request queue Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 11:08 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] IB/core: Add optional PCI P2P flag to rdma_rw_ctx_[init|destroy]() Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 10:32 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-01 17:16 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] nvme-pci: Use PCI p2pmem subsystem to manage the CMB Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 1:33 ` Oliver
2018-03-05 16:00 ` Keith Busch
2018-03-05 17:10 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 18:02 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-03-05 18:09 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-06 0:49 ` Oliver
2018-03-06 1:14 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-06 10:40 ` Oliver
2018-03-05 19:57 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-05 20:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 20:16 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 20:42 ` Keith Busch
2018-03-05 20:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-05 20:13 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] nvme-pci: Add support for P2P memory in requests Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 11:07 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-01 15:58 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-09 5:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] nvme-pci: Add a quirk for a pseudo CMB Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 11:03 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-02-28 23:40 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] nvmet: Optionally use PCI P2P memory Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 11:03 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-01 16:15 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 17:40 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 18:35 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-01 18:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 19:01 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 19:27 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 22:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 22:56 ` Logan Gunthorpe [this message]
2018-03-01 23:00 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:29 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:32 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 23:49 ` Keith Busch
2018-03-01 23:52 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:53 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-02 15:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-03-02 20:51 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 23:57 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-02 0:03 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-02 16:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-02 17:10 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 19:10 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 3:54 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] Copy Offload in NVMe Fabrics with P2P PCI Memory Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 3:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 18:04 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 20:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 20:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-01 21:03 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:10 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-01 21:15 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-01 21:37 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-02 21:38 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-02 22:09 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-05 20:36 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 20:55 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 18:09 ` Stephen Bates
2018-03-01 20:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 19:21 ` Dan Williams
2018-03-01 19:30 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 20:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 20:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 20:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 20:57 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 22:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-01 22:34 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-02 16:22 ` Kani, Toshi
2018-03-02 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-02 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-02 17:38 ` Kani, Toshi
2018-03-01 21:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-03-01 21:45 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:57 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 23:19 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-02 21:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-02 22:24 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 23:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 23:54 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-03-01 21:11 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 21:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-01 21:22 ` Logan Gunthorpe
2018-03-01 10:31 ` Sagi Grimberg
2018-03-01 19:33 ` Logan Gunthorpe
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