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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Daniel Wagner <dwagner@suse.de>,
	Florian Bezdeka <florian.bezdeka@siemens.com>
Cc: Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 00/13] blk: honor isolcpus configuration
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 17:45:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f1dc5c3d-0b0b-49a6-9f07-8e5624fddbee@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c074639-bb75-40be-a338-e80b93123477@flourine.local>

On 30.04.26 14:09, Daniel Wagner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 11:01:33PM +0200, Florian Bezdeka wrote:
>>> Which use case are you actually aiming to support? While dynamic
>>> reconfiguration would be ideal, the amount of work to get there is
>>> significant. I won't be signing up for it.
>>
>> The use case at hand is a RT enabled platform where the concrete RT
>> workload is not known at boot time. RT applications are deployed "on-
>> the-fly", nowadays using the existing container runtimes with some
>> extended resource management on top.
>>
>> Applications can request certain resources like isolated CPU cores,
>> special IRQ affinities, PCI devices to pass through, ...,  so that the
>> resource management on the system can take care of proper system
>> configuration.
> 
> 
> This is where I really question this use case. Currently, it takes quite
> a lot of time to tune a system to work properly for RT workloads.
> Between memory channel interference, GPU interference, and shared
> transports everywhere, you end up with a fixed split: a set of CPUs
> suitable for RT work and a set for housekeeping. This partitioning
> generally does not change during runtime, even if the way you utilize
> those two sets remains dynamic.
> 
> Furthermore, reconfiguring a system while running an active RT workload
> is asking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised if doing so triggered a
> wide range of unpredictable side effects.

No questions that the devils are waiting in the details (and some
already showed up). It is a process of resolving issues and opening up
use cases from "boring", restricting boot-time settings to more and more
flexible reconfigurations. But if you do not hold up that goal and keep
it in mind or even act accordingly on changes, you will never reached.
Also RT would not be in mainline today without such a vision.

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Foundational Technologies
Linux Expert Center

      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-30 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-22 18:52 [PATCH v12 00/13] blk: honor isolcpus configuration Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 01/13] scsi: aacraid: use block layer helpers to calculate num of queues Aaron Tomlin
2026-05-05 18:42   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 02/13] lib/group_cpus: remove dead !SMP code Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-27 15:21   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-29 23:32     ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 03/13] lib/group_cpus: Add group_mask_cpus_evenly() Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 04/13] genirq/affinity: Add cpumask to struct irq_affinity Aaron Tomlin
2026-05-05 20:40   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 05/13] blk-mq: add blk_mq_{online|possible}_queue_affinity Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-27 15:34   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-04-28 12:53     ` Daniel Wagner
2026-04-29  7:15       ` Hannes Reinecke
2026-05-05 20:55     ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 06/13] nvme-pci: use block layer helpers to constrain queue affinity Aaron Tomlin
2026-05-05 19:47   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 07/13] scsi: Use " Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 08/13] virtio: blk/scsi: use " Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 09/13] isolation: Introduce io_queue isolcpus type Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 10/13] blk-mq: use hk cpus only when isolcpus=io_queue is enabled Aaron Tomlin
2026-05-02 21:25   ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 11/13] blk-mq: prevent offlining hk CPUs with associated online isolated CPUs Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 12/13] genirq/affinity: Restrict managed IRQ affinity to housekeeping CPUs Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-22 18:52 ` [PATCH v12 13/13] docs: add io_queue flag to isolcpus Aaron Tomlin
2026-04-27 10:55 ` [PATCH v12 00/13] blk: honor isolcpus configuration Florian Bezdeka
2026-04-28 13:08   ` Daniel Wagner
2026-04-29 21:01     ` Florian Bezdeka
2026-04-30 12:09       ` Daniel Wagner
2026-04-30 15:45         ` Jan Kiszka [this message]

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