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From: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
To: James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "Fred Schättgen" <bluez-devel@schaettgen.de>,
	"BlueZ Mailing List" <bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	"Simon Vogl" <vogl@soft.uni-linz.ac.at>
Subject: Re: [Bluez-devel] sco link help needed
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:30:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1077485446.2832.14.camel@pegasus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <403916CB.3060205@superbug.demon.co.uk>

Hi James,

> A agree that we need a clearly defined interface for the bluetooth SCO.
> For SCO connections the interface will HAVE to be a callback based 
> interface. SCO is all about realtime data, and we must ensure minimal 
> latency, so that requires a callback interface.
> I.E. We set up the SCO connection, and get it to callback after every X 
> frames received. The same for sending, callback saying I need X samples now!

we already had this discussion and there is no need for such a callback
stuff. If there is too much data, we simply have to drop some samples.

> For alsa to work well with bluetooth, we will need some special handling 
> . The main use of alsa with bluetooth will be for headset communications 
> and therefore use the bluetooth headset profile.

That is wrong. Also Handsfree, Cordless Telephony and Intercom needs a
SCO to audio device mapping. With eSCO we will also have a data link and
maybe more profiles in the future.

> 1) Pairing. Provide a method to pair a bluetooth headset, so that if the 
> headset tried to open the connection. bluez will link to alsa only for 
> that paired device. So, we will need to be able to register alsa as a 
> pairing handler to bluez. Does the concept of a pairing handler even 
> exist yet in bluez?

A headset will never set up the SCO channel. The AG does it.

> 2) There is currently no method in alsa, for alsa to tell the 
> application "I am here now, listen to me!". So, if the headset initiates 
> the connection, there is currently no way to use alsa to inform the 
> application that the headset wishes to do such a thing. Maybe we could 
> implement this with an alsa mixer element that is present all the time 
> the pairing is present. And the application could poll the mixer 
> element, and if the mixer element changed state, we would open the PCM 
> to receive the audio. A sort of on/off hook indication.

See above. And the userspace application must set up the audio device.
Remember that we can't have a SCO link without an ACL link and this
means that we need a control application which knows in detail when to
create the audio device.

> 3) The headset profile consists of a RFCOMM connection for setting 
> volume levels etc. and also a SCO connection for passing audio samples.
> The alsa driver will implement the headset profile when working with 
> bluez. We might be able to expand that to the hands-free profile later.
> The RFCOMM will therefore interface with the alsa mixer. the SCO 
> connection will interface with the alsa PCM.

No. The Bluetooth ALSA driver is not in any way related to a profile.

> 1) The alsa driver for bluetooth will be a kernel mode implementation of 
> the bluetooth headset profile.

No profile implementation in the kernel. It is userspace stuff.

> 2) A userspace tool will be used to configure the bluetooth pairing and 
> configure the alsa-bluez link.

This has nothing to do with it. Pairing is independent from an ALSA
driver.

> 3) We will need to be able to implement bluetooth profiles in kernel 
> modules as well as user space applications.

No. Profiles are userspace stuff.

> 4) The bluez SCO interface should be changed to a callback interface.

I don't see any need for it.

Regards

Marcel




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  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-22 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-19 14:36 [Bluez-devel] sco link help needed Simon Vogl
2004-02-19 15:29 ` Fred Schättgen
2004-02-21 14:37   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-22 12:27     ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-22 20:53       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-22 21:30         ` Marcel Holtmann [this message]
2004-02-22 22:04           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-22 22:09             ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-22 23:37               ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-23  7:55                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 12:59                   ` Mauro Tortonesi
2004-02-25 13:25                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 14:04                       ` Mauro Tortonesi
2004-02-25 14:23                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 15:35                           ` Mauro Tortonesi
2004-02-25 15:37                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 15:46                               ` Mauro Tortonesi
     [not found]                           ` <1077728432.6021.522.camel@localhost>
2004-02-25 17:16                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 17:27                               ` Nils Faerber
2004-02-25 14:30                         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-25 14:59                           ` Dr. Simon Vogl
2004-02-25 15:09                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-25 14:22                     ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-02-23 16:35               ` libs2 and utils2 Aaron Klish
2004-02-23 17:19                 ` [Bluez-devel] " Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-22 21:54         ` [Bluez-devel] sco link help needed Fred Schättgen
2004-02-22 22:00           ` Marcel Holtmann
2004-02-22 22:35             ` Fred Schättgen
2004-02-22 12:44     ` Dr. Simon Vogl

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