From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: From: Claudio Takahasi To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bluez-devel] Multiple user/device model? In-Reply-To: <1127291981.495.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_149_3838456.1127304607906" References: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> <1127216957.5168.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127249749.26495.1.camel@yeti> <1127291981.495.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BlueZ development List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:10:07 -0300 ------=_Part_149_3838456.1127304607906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Fredrik, I sent a lot of emails about bluetoothd specification, but I didn't receive enough feedbacks. bluetoothd will be the main entity responsible to handle user requests(connections, device setup, security, ...). Currently, we are working on hcid D-Bus services. hcid is our playground for validate some ideas. I developed a internal version of the bluetoothd, but I need align with bluez community and use the new communication interface (between kernel and the userspace) that is being developed. There is docs about bluetoothd available at: http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~ckt/bluez Your feedback is welcome! Regards, Claudio. On 9/21/05, Marcel Holtmann wrote: > > Hi Fredrik, > > > > the idea is not bad, but it will never work this way. This is because > > > how the Bluetooth security architecture is designed. We need a centra= l > > > root service that deals with the kernel side of HCI. However the > control > > > of pairing etc. for users will be handled over D-Bus. > > > > Ah. Is there any documentation on how this D-BUS interface works? > > Claudio has written something, but nothing is written in stone. > > Regards > > Marcel > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF.Net email is sponsored by: > Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. > Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your ver= y > own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php > _______________________________________________ > Bluez-devel mailing list > Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel > ------=_Part_149_3838456.1127304607906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Fredrik,

I sent a lot of emails about bluetoothd specification, but I didn't
receive enough feedbacks. bluetoothd will be the main entity
responsible to handle user requests(connections, device setup,
security, ...).

Currently, we are working on hcid D-Bus services. hcid is our
playground for validate some ideas. I developed a internal version
of the bluetoothd, but I need align with bluez community and
use the new communication interface (between kernel and the userspace)
that is being developed.

There is docs about bluetoothd available at:
http://www.cin.ufpe.br/~ckt/b= luez

Your feedback is welcome!

Regards,
Claudio.


On 9/21/05, = Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtm= ann.org> wrote:
Hi Fredrik,

> > the idea is not bad, but it will never work th= is way. This is because
> > how the Bluetooth security architectur= e is designed. We need a central
> > root service that deals with = the kernel side of HCI. However the control
> > of pairing etc. for users will be handled over D-Bus.
>=
> Ah. Is there any documentation on how this D-BUS interface works?<= br>
Claudio has written something, but nothing is written in stone.

Regards

Marcel




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From: Marcel Holtmann To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <1127249749.26495.1.camel@yeti> References: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> <1127216957.5168.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1127249749.26495.1.camel@yeti> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1127291981.495.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BlueZ development List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:39:41 +0200 Hi Fredrik, > > the idea is not bad, but it will never work this way. This is because > > how the Bluetooth security architecture is designed. We need a central > > root service that deals with the kernel side of HCI. However the control > > of pairing etc. for users will be handled over D-Bus. > > Ah. Is there any documentation on how this D-BUS interface works? Claudio has written something, but nothing is written in stone. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Subject: Re: [Bluez-devel] Multiple user/device model? From: Fredrik Noring To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <1127216957.5168.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> <1127216957.5168.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1127249749.26495.1.camel@yeti> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BlueZ development List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:55:49 +0200 Hi Marcel, > the idea is not bad, but it will never work this way. This is because > how the Bluetooth security architecture is designed. We need a central > root service that deals with the kernel side of HCI. However the control > of pairing etc. for users will be handled over D-Bus. Ah. Is there any documentation on how this D-BUS interface works? Thanks, Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Subject: Re: [Bluez-devel] Multiple user/device model? From: Marcel Holtmann To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> References: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1127216957.5168.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BlueZ development List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:49:16 +0200 Hi Fredrik, > Can multiple users have different sets of Bluetooth devices? I.e. > something like this: > > /home/peter/.bluetooth/devices/00:11:22:33:44:55/linkkeys > /home/maria/.bluetooth/devices/99:88:77:66:55:44/linkkeys > > With the following properties: > > 1. User pairing and device management don't require > administrative (root) privileges. > 2. Peter cannot remove/modify Maria's devices and vice versa. > 3. Would be excellent if Peter and Maria could use Bluetooth > simultaneously, but good enough if only one at the time. the idea is not bad, but it will never work this way. This is because how the Bluetooth security architecture is designed. We need a central root service that deals with the kernel side of HCI. However the control of pairing etc. for users will be handled over D-Bus. Regards Marcel ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: From: Fredrik Noring To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1127025473.14893.51.camel@yeti> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Bluez-devel] Multiple user/device model? Sender: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: bluez-devel-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Reply-To: bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: BlueZ development List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 08:37:53 +0200 Hi, Can multiple users have different sets of Bluetooth devices? I.e. something like this: /home/peter/.bluetooth/devices/00:11:22:33:44:55/linkkeys /home/maria/.bluetooth/devices/99:88:77:66:55:44/linkkeys With the following properties: 1. User pairing and device management don't require administrative (root) privileges. 2. Peter cannot remove/modify Maria's devices and vice versa. 3. Would be excellent if Peter and Maria could use Bluetooth simultaneously, but good enough if only one at the time. Any thoughts? Thanks, Fredrik ------------------------------------------------------- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tame your development challenges with Apache's Geronimo App Server. Download it for free - -and be entered to win a 42" plasma tv or your very own Sony(tm)PSP. Click here to play: http://sourceforge.net/geronimo.php _______________________________________________ Bluez-devel mailing list Bluez-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bluez-devel