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From: "Gix, Brian" <brian.gix@intel.com>
To: "michal.lowas-rzechonek@silvair.com" 
	<michal.lowas-rzechonek@silvair.com>
Cc: "linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org" <linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH BlueZ] mesh: Log D-Bus method call errors
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:38:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <145b9b726c45fd37592b5a7a3504c911cd848409.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190829095951.nzzqqhgvblhogf4e@mlowasrzechonek2133>

Hi Michał,

On Thu, 2019-08-29 at 11:59 +0200, michal.lowas-rzechonek@silvair.com wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> On 08/28, Gix, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue, 2019-08-20 at 09:56 +0200, Michał Lowas-Rzechonek wrote:
> > > If a system is misconfigured, mesh daemon might not have permissions to
> > > call application methods.
> > > 
> > > This patch causes mesh daemon to log such errors, instead of failing
> > > silently.
> > 
> > Some of these Replies for error checking are warranted, I think...
> > Particularily when there is required information that needs to be sent
> > to the Application during Provisioning, for instance.
> > 
> > But sometimes we expect the application to be "away" for normal
> > reasons (it is intended as a foreground app, for instance) where I am
> > not sure we want to require the response... For instance the method
> > calls in model.c that occur when a remote node has sent a message.
> 
> Yes, these calls were my primary concern here.
> 
> Note that D-Bus calls do *not* happen if the application is not attached
> (node->owner is NULL).

That is true, and we *expect* applications that are attached to handle the socket-signals (that drive d-bus) in
a timely manner...  But I am not sure we have a way to enforce it. 

Certainly, we can simulate a disconnection if an App ignores it's DBus socket signal, but again, we won't know
about that for 30 seconds which seems like forever...  And an App could potentially have a large enough backlog
of messages negatively affecting the daemon before it and corrects it.

> 
> > The Non-Reply version of send (towards the apps) was actually a design
> > decision, since we don't want the *daemon* to exhast d-bus resources,
> > depending on replies from Apps that are ignoring the messages we are
> > sending.
> > 
> > This could negatively impact the daemon's ability to
> > interact with perhaps better behaved applications.  I think every
> > reply required message persists for up to 30 seconds.
> 
> True.
> 
> Since most of the application-side methods do not return anything (and
> rightly so, because "Any discrete OTA message might be lost"), the
> application is free to do whatever is pleases with the payload,
> including dropping it.
> 
> Still, I think that the none of the call handlers on the application
> side should *ever* return errors/timeouts over D-Bus.
> 
> I'm arguing that such an application is misbehaving, so it probably
> should be promptly detached. That would protect the daemon.
> 
> > I think our rule of thumb should be requiring a response when the
> > daemon needs to know that the App has successfully handled critical
> > information so for instance YES for:
> > 
> > AddNodeComplete()
> > JoinComplete()
> > RequestProvData()
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> regards

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-29 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-20  7:56 [PATCH BlueZ] mesh: Log D-Bus method call errors Michał Lowas-Rzechonek
2019-08-28 16:22 ` Gix, Brian
2019-08-29  9:59   ` michal.lowas-rzechonek
2019-08-29 18:38     ` Gix, Brian [this message]
2019-08-29 19:56       ` michal.lowas-rzechonek
2019-08-29 20:07         ` Gix, Brian
2019-08-30  5:47           ` michal.lowas-rzechonek

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