Trying kernel 2.6.11.12, I got this (attached) kernel panic message after trying to stop pand after the first set of messages logged appeared. Before that are the messages, when the entire USB layer seems to stall. It's possibly worth noting this only happens going through a hub - when connected directly to the machine the problem doesn't occur. There was a second panic, where the machine froze up, and the message was way too long to fit on the screen... this wasn't logged in syslog. It's possible the fault could be the USB hub driver, but it doesn't play up like this when I run my USB hard disc through it. I haven't tried my DVD burner through the hub - they make expensive beermats :-/ -- -- Michael "Soruk" McConnell Eridani Star System MailStripper - "The easy spam filter." http://mailstripper.eridani.co.uk/