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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>
Cc: Andrei Emeltchenko <Andrei.Emeltchenko.news@gmail.com>,
	linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFCv1] mac80211: Adds Software / Virtual AMP 80211
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:24:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F84A52A.7050905@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F84A422.3030900@sipsolutions.net> (sfid-20120410_232057_023197_F7AC82E9)

On 4/10/2012 2:20 PM, Johannes Berg wrote:
>>> I don't get this patch at all. Why am I reviewing some very very basic
>>> skeleton code when we should be discussing userspace APIs (we have
>>> already discussed them with a few people years ago), how the AMP is
>>> going to be managed, how the security handshake is going to work, etc.
>>
>> adding AMP (meaning Bluetooth Alternate MAC/PHY in case anybody cares)
>> for SoftMac WiFi cards should be done solely in kernel space between
>> Bluetooth core and mac80211. All the FullMac cards will expose the HCI
>> AMP directly via the Bluetooth core. See Marvell solution for example.
>>
>> If we require a userspace interaction, I think we are doing something
>> wrong here. And as far as I can tell, the only tricky part is the WPA2
>> PSK 4-way handshake. We would need a kernel implementation for that.
>
> You already know I disagree, I don't want this code re-implemented in
> kernel space when adding a few tightly controlled APIs is all it needs
> to use an existing implementation of the relevant mechanisms.

There are also additional complexities like wpa_supplicant having to 
know whether to set up/tear down a BT AMP interface for P2P concurrency 
etc., so it's not really a good idea anyway to implement it purely in 
kernel space and hope it'll all work out.

(My flight is boarding now so I can't elaborate or discuss right now.)

johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-10 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-10 12:11 [RFCv1] Draft Software/Virtual AMP80211 Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-10 12:11 ` [RFCv1] mac80211: Adds Software / Virtual AMP 80211 Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-10 12:26   ` Julian Calaby
2012-04-10 12:47     ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-10 16:39   ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-10 21:17     ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-10 21:20       ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-10 21:24         ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2012-04-11  7:11           ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18  2:03             ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-18 12:15               ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 14:38                 ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-18 14:52                   ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 15:09                     ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-18 15:39                       ` Mat Martineau
2012-04-19  6:36                       ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-19 13:28                         ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-19 13:39                           ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-19 14:21                             ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-10 21:29         ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-11  7:05           ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18  2:07             ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-18 11:20               ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 11:51                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-18 12:10                   ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 12:15                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-18 12:33                       ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 13:11                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-18 13:22                           ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 14:29                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-18 15:02                               ` Andrei Emeltchenko
2012-04-18 14:34                   ` Johannes Berg
2012-04-18 14:56                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2012-04-18 14:30                 ` Johannes Berg

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