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* Unreliable communication with multiple bluetooth devices and some delay
@ 2012-10-02 13:37 Sietse Achterop
  2012-10-08  9:11 ` Sietse Achterop
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Sietse Achterop @ 2012-10-02 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-bluetooth

     Dear list,

not sure wheather this for this list, but if so please tell me.
I have problems with unreliable bluetooth communication.

I have 7 bluetooth devices (epucks, educational robots:  http://www.e-puck.org/).
They use the lmx9838 device for bluetooth and are seen as rfcomm-devices on linux.
The lmx-device is used in transparent mode.
This is on various linuxes, with kernels 2.6.32, 3.0.0 and 3.2, e.g. as in the latest ubuntu 12.04.1.

The test program is a simple loop that continuously sends each epuck a small message,
a string of say 6 characters.
I use stdio's fprintf to send chars to the /dev/rfcomm devices.
In pseudo code:
  open_devices();
  while true do
    for i = 1 to 7 do
       fprintf(fp[i], "l,1,2\n");
    od
    delay( 0.5 seconds);
  od

This works perfectly if the delay statement is REMOVED.
Then each 2 milliseconds a message is send to the next epuck.
But if the delay is ADDED again it gets very UNRELIABLE.
After 1 to 30 seconds a communication is failing and after a
20 second delay the connection of a epuck is dropped.
After a longer time all connections are dropped.

I tried a lot, but am at a loss at the moment.
The question is, where the problem. Why is the delay the problem?
Are the short messages the problem?
Is it a bug in the linux driver?

Hopefully someone on the list can help me a step in the right direction.

   Thanks in advance.
      Sietse Achterop
      University of Groningen
      The Netherlands

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* Re: Unreliable communication with multiple bluetooth devices and some delay
  2012-10-02 13:37 Unreliable communication with multiple bluetooth devices and some delay Sietse Achterop
@ 2012-10-08  9:11 ` Sietse Achterop
  2012-10-08  9:15   ` Andrei Emeltchenko
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Sietse Achterop @ 2012-10-08  9:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-bluetooth

On 02-10-12 15:37, Sietse Achterop wrote:

> I have 7 bluetooth devices (epucks, educational robots:  http://www.e-puck.org/).
> They use the lmx9838 device for bluetooth and are seen as rfcomm-devices on linux.
> The lmx-device is used in transparent mode.
> This is on various linuxes, with kernels 2.6.32, 3.0.0 and 3.2, e.g. as in the latest ubuntu 12.04.1.
> 
> The test program is a simple loop that continuously sends each epuck a small message,
> a string of say 6 characters.
> I use stdio's fprintf to send chars to the /dev/rfcomm devices.
> In pseudo code:
>   open_devices();
>   while true do
>     for i = 1 to 7 do
>        fprintf(fp[i], "l,1,2\n");
>     od
>     delay( 0.5 seconds);
>   od
> 
> This works perfectly if the delay statement is REMOVED.
> Then each 2 milliseconds a message is send to the next epuck.
> But if the delay is ADDED again it gets very UNRELIABLE.
> After 1 to 30 seconds a communication is failing and after a
> 20 second delay the connection of a epuck is dropped.
> After a longer time all connections are dropped.

   Dear list,

to react on my on question, I just installed kernel 3.6.1, but the problem does
not go away:(.
It is random which of the epuck fails.
I would be grateful with some pointer. Could it be hardware in one of the BT devices?
I used a number of different dongles on the linux site. If it is a hardware problem,
it must be a structural problem in the hardware.
If it is no hardware problem, it has to be software on the linux site, because the lmx9838 is
used in transparent mode and the software is not much more than an echo and is software that
has been working for more than a year.
Am I using bluetooth in an unusual way?

  Regards,
    Sietse


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* Re: Unreliable communication with multiple bluetooth devices and some delay
  2012-10-08  9:11 ` Sietse Achterop
@ 2012-10-08  9:15   ` Andrei Emeltchenko
  2012-10-08 14:23     ` Sietse Achterop
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Andrei Emeltchenko @ 2012-10-08  9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sietse Achterop; +Cc: linux-bluetooth

On Mon, Oct 08, 2012 at 11:11:06AM +0200, Sietse Achterop wrote:
> On 02-10-12 15:37, Sietse Achterop wrote:
> 
> > I have 7 bluetooth devices (epucks, educational robots:  http://www.e-puck.org/).
> > They use the lmx9838 device for bluetooth and are seen as rfcomm-devices on linux.
> > The lmx-device is used in transparent mode.
> > This is on various linuxes, with kernels 2.6.32, 3.0.0 and 3.2, e.g. as in the latest ubuntu 12.04.1.
> > 
> > The test program is a simple loop that continuously sends each epuck a small message,
> > a string of say 6 characters.
> > I use stdio's fprintf to send chars to the /dev/rfcomm devices.
> > In pseudo code:
> >   open_devices();
> >   while true do
> >     for i = 1 to 7 do
> >        fprintf(fp[i], "l,1,2\n");
> >     od
> >     delay( 0.5 seconds);
> >   od
> > 
> > This works perfectly if the delay statement is REMOVED.
> > Then each 2 milliseconds a message is send to the next epuck.
> > But if the delay is ADDED again it gets very UNRELIABLE.
> > After 1 to 30 seconds a communication is failing and after a
> > 20 second delay the connection of a epuck is dropped.
> > After a longer time all connections are dropped.
> 
>    Dear list,
> 
> to react on my on question, I just installed kernel 3.6.1, but the problem does
> not go away:(.
> It is random which of the epuck fails.
> I would be grateful with some pointer. Could it be hardware in one of the BT devices?
> I used a number of different dongles on the linux site. If it is a hardware problem,
> it must be a structural problem in the hardware.
> If it is no hardware problem, it has to be software on the linux site, because the lmx9838 is
> used in transparent mode and the software is not much more than an echo and is software that
> has been working for more than a year.
> Am I using bluetooth in an unusual way?

Get capture with hcidump like "hcidump -tX -i hciX". It will tell you why
connection is closed. Also dmesg might give some warnings.

Best regards 
Andrei Emeltchenko 


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* Re: Unreliable communication with multiple bluetooth devices and some delay
  2012-10-08  9:15   ` Andrei Emeltchenko
@ 2012-10-08 14:23     ` Sietse Achterop
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Sietse Achterop @ 2012-10-08 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-bluetooth

On 08-10-12 11:15, Andrei Emeltchenko wrote:
> 
> Get capture with hcidump like "hcidump -tX -i hciX". It will tell you why
> connection is closed. Also dmesg might give some warnings.

    Dear Andrei,
thanks for the response.

I did some tests, see the dump fragment below. I shows the output from just before
the error until the 20 second timeout. There is nothing in dmesg or syslog at all.
I cannot completely interpret the output, but have the following questions.

1 When sending the next 3 strings "l,1,2\n" as shown in the beginning of the fragment,
  i see that only handle 48 talks about RFCOMM and has a different psm than the other 2.
  When running the test without the 0.1 second delay each time in the loop, then the psm
  value is always 3.
  Is there any significance to this?

2 According to the log, around timestamp 13:36:59.436715 the "ack" for handle 42 is missing.
  After that handle 42 is out of order and the rest hangs because of the program loop.
  After 20 seconds the timeout occurs.
    What does this mean? What are the possible and probable causes.
    How likely is it that the hardware (on either side) is so broken?
    Where is the failure, on which side of the communication channel, what is more likely.
    If the lmx9838 is malfunctioning, shouldn't there be attempts (retries) to try and
    recover from this. Could i instrument the driver to see this better?

   Thanks for your attention,
      Sietse

==========================================================================================

2012-10-08 13:36:59.030346 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.030371 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.030393 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.034712 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 42 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.036709 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.039712 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.130538 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.130560 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.130584 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.135710 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 42 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.135719 > ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 0]
      0000: 09 ff 01 02 5c                                    ....\
2012-10-08 13:36:59.139711 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.141711 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.142714 > ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 0 dlci 2 pf 1 ilen 0 fcs 0x5c credits 2
2012-10-08 13:36:59.144715 > ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 0]
      0000: 09 ff 01 02 5c                                    ....\
2012-10-08 13:36:59.230650 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.230671 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.230694 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.235713 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 42 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.239711 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.241711 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.330765 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.330785 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.330809 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.335713 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 42 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.339712 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.340715 > ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 0 dlci 2 pf 1 ilen 0 fcs 0x5c credits 2
2012-10-08 13:36:59.341713 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.342715 > ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 0]
      0000: 09 ff 01 02 5c                                    ....\
2012-10-08 13:36:59.430914 < ACL data: handle 42 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.430926 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.430946 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.436715 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.439713 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.531023 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.531043 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.538714 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.540714 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.540721 > ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 0 dlci 2 pf 1 ilen 0 fcs 0x5c credits 2
2012-10-08 13:36:59.543715 > ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 9
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 5 [psm 0]
      0000: 09 ff 01 02 5c                                    ....\
2012-10-08 13:36:59.631126 < ACL data: handle 45 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 0]
      0000: 0b ef 0d 6c 2c 31 2c 32  0a 9a                    ...l,1,2..
2012-10-08 13:36:59.631132 < ACL data: handle 48 flags 0x02 dlen 14
    L2CAP(d): cid 0x0040 len 10 [psm 3]
      RFCOMM(d): UIH: cr 1 dlci 2 pf 0 ilen 6 fcs 0x9a
      0000: 6c 2c 31 2c 32 0a                                 l,1,2.
2012-10-08 13:36:59.636714 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 45 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:36:59.638712 > HCI Event: Number of Completed Packets (0x13) plen 5
    handle 48 packets 1
2012-10-08 13:37:19.361788 > HCI Event: Disconn Complete (0x05) plen 4
    status 0x00 handle 42 reason 0x08
    Reason: Connection Timeout



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