From: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: btrfs receive leaves new subvolume modifiable during operation
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 07:44:27 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <092c2028-f132-83b1-5f10-d84d374a8bb3@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan$e2f8a$ba778439$cd53e97c$382283f9@cox.net>
On 2017-02-03 04:14, Duncan wrote:
> Graham Cobb posted on Thu, 02 Feb 2017 10:52:26 +0000 as excerpted:
>
>> On 02/02/17 00:02, Duncan wrote:
>>> If it's a workaround, then many of the Linux procedures we as admins
>>> and users use every day are equally workarounds. Setting 007 perms on
>>> a dir that doesn't have anything immediately security vulnerable in it,
>>> simply to keep other users from even potentially seeing or being able
>>> to write to something N layers down the subdir tree, is standard
>>> practice.
>>
>> No. There is no need to normally place a read-only snapshot below a
>> no-execute directory just to prevent write access to it. That is not
>> part of the admin's expectation.
>>
>>> Which is my point. This is no different than standard security
>>> practice,
>>> that an admin should be familiar with and using without even having to
>>> think about it. Btrfs is simply making the same assumptions that
>>> everyone else does, that an admin knows what they are doing and sets
>>> the upstream permissions with that in mind. If they don't, how is that
>>> btrfs' fault?
>>
>> Because btrfs intends the receive snapshot to be read-only. That is the
>> expectation of the sysadmin.
>
> Read-only *after* completion, yes. But a sysadmin that believes really
> setting something read-only and then trying to write to it from
> userspace, which is what btrfs does until the receive is done, should
> work, doesn't understand the meaning of read-only.
>
> Meanwhile, Austin said most of what I'd say, probably better than I'd say
> it, so I won't repeat it here, but I agree with him.
>
>> Even though it is security-related, I agree it isn't the highest
>> priority btrfs bug. It can probably wait until receive is being worked
>> on for other reasons. But if it isn't going to be fixed any time soon,
>> it should be documented in the Wiki and the man page, with the suggested
>> workround for anyone who needs to make sure the receive won't be
>> tampered with.
>
> One thing I was going to say in the previous post and forgot, is that not
> withstanding all the technical reasons, I do agree that documenting it in
> the manpage, etc, would be a good idea. In that I agree with both you
> and Austin. =:^)
I can look at making a patch for this, but it may be next week before I
have time (I'm not great at multi-tasking when it comes to software
development, and I'm in the middle of helping to fix a bug in Ansible
right now).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-02-03 12:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-31 23:32 btrfs receive leaves new subvolume modifiable during operation Christian Lupien
2017-02-01 5:09 ` Duncan
2017-02-01 12:28 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-02-01 17:43 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-01 22:27 ` Duncan
2017-02-01 22:51 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-02 0:02 ` Duncan
2017-02-02 10:52 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-02 12:49 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-02-03 9:14 ` Duncan
2017-02-03 12:44 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn [this message]
2017-02-03 15:44 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-03 16:01 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-02-03 19:17 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-03 19:37 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-02-05 12:08 ` Kai Krakow
2017-02-06 22:56 ` Graham Cobb
2017-02-05 11:54 ` Kai Krakow
2017-02-06 12:30 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2017-02-06 21:40 ` Kai Krakow
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