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From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Dmitry Adamushko <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>,
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
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	Sven Dietrich <SDietrich@novell.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v9][RFC] mutex: implement adaptive spinning
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:47:42 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1231951662.8269.22.camel@think.oraclecorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b647ffbd0901140318g7e4ccab6m9bf03e9ac6acf797@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 12:18 +0100, Dmitry Adamushko wrote:
> 2009/1/14 Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 18:21 +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 08:49 -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >> >
> >> > So do a v10, and ask people to test.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Subject: mutex: implement adaptive spinning
> >> From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
> >> Date: Mon Jan 12 14:01:47 CET 2009
> >>
> >> Change mutex contention behaviour such that it will sometimes busy wait on
> >> acquisition - moving its behaviour closer to that of spinlocks.
> >>
> >
> > I've spent a bunch of time on this one, and noticed earlier today that I
> > still had bits of CONFIG_FTRACE compiling.  I wasn't actually tracing
> > anything, but it seems to have had a big performance hit.
> >
> > The bad news is the simple spin got much much faster, dbench 50 coming
> > in at 1282MB/s instead of 580MB/s.  (other benchmarks give similar
> > results)
> >
> > v10 is better that not spinning, but its in the 5-10% range.  So, I've
> > been trying to find ways to close the gap, just to understand exactly
> > where it is different.
> >
> > If I take out:
> >        /*
> >         * If there are pending waiters, join them.
> >         */
> >        if (!list_empty(&lock->wait_list))
> >                break;
> >
> >
> > v10 pops dbench 50 up to 1800MB/s.  The other tests soundly beat my
> > spinning and aren't less fair.  But clearly this isn't a good solution.
> >
> > I tried a few variations, like only checking the wait list once before
> > looping, which helps some.  Are there other suggestions on better tuning
> > options?
> 
> (some thoughts/speculations)
> 
> Perhaps for highly-contanded mutexes the spinning implementation may
> quickly degrade [*] to the non-spinning one (i.e. the current
> sleep-wait mutex) and then just stay in this state until a moment of
> time when there are no waiters  [**]  -- i.e.
> list_empty(&lock->wait_list) == 1 and waiters can start spinning
> again.

It is actually ok if the highly contention mutexes don't degrade as long
as they are highly contended and the holder isn't likely to schedule.

> 
> what may trigger [*]:
> 
> (1) obviously, an owner scheduling out.
> 
> Even if it happens rarely (otherwise, it's not a target scenario for
> our optimization), due to the [**] it may take quite some time until
> waiters are able to spin again.
> 
> let's say, waiters (almost) never block (and possibly, such cases
> would be better off just using a spinlock after some refactoring, if
> possible)
> 
> (2) need_resched() is triggered for one of the waiters.
> 
> (3) !owner && rt_task(p)
> 
> quite unlikely, but possible (there are 2 race windows).
> 
> Of course, the question is whether it really takes a noticeable amount
> of time to get out of the [**] state.
> I'd imagine it can be a case for highly-contended locks.
> 
> If this is the case indeed, then which of 1,2,3 gets triggered the most.

Sorry, I don't have stats on that.

> 
> Have you tried removing need_resched() checks? So we kind of emulate
> real spinlocks here.

Unfortunately, the need_resched() checks deal with a few of the ugly
corners.  They are more important without the waiter list check.
Basically if we spun without the need_resched() checks, the process who
wants to unlock might not be able to schedule back in.

-chris




  reply	other threads:[~2009-01-14 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-12 15:37 [PATCH -v8][RFC] mutex: implement adaptive spinning Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 16:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-12 16:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-12 16:45     ` Chris Mason
2009-01-12 16:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 17:14         ` Chris Mason
2009-01-12 17:24           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 17:30             ` Chris Mason
2009-01-12 17:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 17:33       ` Boaz Harrosh
2009-01-12 18:07         ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 16:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-12 17:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-12 17:23     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-12 17:32     ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-14 16:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-14 17:04         ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-14 17:23           ` Avi Kivity
2009-01-15  0:50             ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-13 15:15 ` [PATCH -v9][RFC] " Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-13 16:16   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-13 16:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-13 16:39       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-13 16:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-13 16:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-13 17:21           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-13 18:33             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-13 18:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-13 19:01                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14  2:58             ` Chris Mason
2009-01-14 11:18               ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-14 16:47                 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2009-01-14 17:32                   ` Dmitry Adamushko
2009-01-14 11:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 15:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-14 16:23                   ` Chris Mason
2009-01-14 17:06                   ` [PATCH -v11 delta] " Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 17:00             ` [PATCH -v11][RFC] " Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-14 17:18               ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-14 17:22                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-15  0:46                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-15  7:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-15  7:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-14 18:33               ` [GIT PULL] adaptive spinning mutexes Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 18:40                 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-15  9:53                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 18:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 19:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 17:44                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2009-01-15 18:05                       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-15 18:08                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 18:16                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-15 19:26                             ` Chris Mason
2009-01-15 20:13                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-15 21:04                                 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-15 22:03                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-16 13:32                               ` Folkert van Heusden
2009-01-16 13:57                                 ` Folkert van Heusden
2009-01-16 18:37                               ` Bill Davidsen
2009-01-16  0:53                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-16  1:01                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-16  1:34                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-01-16 14:07                                 ` Folkert van Heusden
2009-01-16  3:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-15 18:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 18:53                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 19:00                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 19:36                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 19:50                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-14 20:21                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 20:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 20:44                           ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 20:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 20:30                         ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 20:51                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 21:06                             ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 21:14                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 21:35                                 ` Andrew Morton
2009-01-14 23:23                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15  0:55                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-14 21:41                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-14 21:50                                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-01-14 22:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15 11:45                                       ` Folkert van Heusden
2009-01-15 12:53                                       ` Chris Samuel
2009-01-14 19:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-01-14 19:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-01-15  8:41             ` [PATCH] mutex: set owner only once on acquisition Johannes Weiner
2009-01-15  8:56               ` Johannes Weiner
2009-01-13 18:12           ` [PATCH -v9][RFC] mutex: implement adaptive spinning Ingo Molnar
2009-01-13 18:21             ` Linus Torvalds
2009-01-13 18:24               ` Ingo Molnar

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