From: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
To: Olaf van der Spek <olafvdspek@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Atomic file data replace API
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:13:41 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1294412980-sup-1924@think> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimB-gpHFJMXY3TRcfxGJjwo94ffEVZSPw6746bC@mail.gmail.com>
Excerpts from Olaf van der Spek's message of 2011-01-07 10:08:24 -0500:
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com> =
wrote:
> >> > The problem is the write() // 0+ times. =C2=A0The kernel has no =
idea what
> >> > new result you want the file to contain because the application =
isn't
> >> > telling us.
> >>
> >> Isn't it safe for the kernel to wait until the first write or clos=
e
> >> before writing anything to disk?
> >
> > I'm afraid not. =C2=A0Picture an application that opens a thousand =
files and
> > writes 1MB to each of them, and then didn't close any. =C2=A0If we =
waited
> > until close, you'd have 1GB of memory pinned or staged somehow.
>=20
> That's not what I asked. ;)
> I asked to wait until the first write (or close). That way, you don't
> get unintentional empty files.
> One step further, you don't have to keep the data in memory, you're
> free to write them to disk. You just wouldn't update the meta-data
> (yet).
Sorry ;) Picture an application that truncates 1024 files without closi=
ng any
of them. Basically any operation that includes the kernel waiting for
applications because they promise to do something soon is a denial of
service attack, or a really easy way to run out of memory on the box.
-chris
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-01-07 15:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-06 20:01 Atomic file data replace API Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 13:55 ` Mike Fleetwood
2011-01-07 14:01 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 14:10 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 14:58 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-07 15:01 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 15:05 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-07 15:08 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 15:13 ` Chris Mason [this message]
2011-01-07 15:17 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 16:12 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-07 16:19 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 16:26 ` Hubert Kario
2011-01-07 19:29 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-08 14:40 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-26 18:30 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-26 19:30 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-26 21:56 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 16:32 ` Massimo Maggi
2011-01-07 16:34 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-07 19:29 ` Thomas Bellman
2011-01-08 14:36 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-08 21:43 ` Thomas Bellman
2011-01-09 15:16 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-09 18:56 ` Thomas Bellman
2011-01-09 19:06 ` Olaf van der Spek
2011-01-09 20:13 ` Phillip Susi
2011-01-08 1:11 ` Phillip Susi
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