From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mailgw-01.dd24.net ([193.46.215.41]:46508 "EHLO mailgw01.dd24.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755506AbbDIQOh (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Apr 2015 12:14:37 -0400 Received: from mailpolicy-01.live.igb.homer.key-systems.net (mailpolicy-02.live.igb.homer.key-systems.net [192.168.1.27]) by mailgw01.dd24.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E554C5FB55 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw01.dd24.net ([192.168.1.35]) by mailpolicy-01.live.igb.homer.key-systems.net (mailpolicy-02.live.igb.homer.key-systems.net [192.168.1.25]) (amavisd-new, port 10235) with ESMTP id 83eCxhiBrhol for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gar-nb-etp06.garching.physik.uni-muenchen.de (unknown [141.84.43.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgw01.dd24.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 9 Apr 2015 16:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1428596073.4994.24.camel@scientia.net> Subject: incremental full file backups to smaller mediums possible? From: Christoph Anton Mitterer To: linux-btrfs Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 18:14:33 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-X3ulLu1JGydXuieX98LU" Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: --=-X3ulLu1JGydXuieX98LU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey. I wondered whether this is possible in btrfs (or could be implemented),... it's in a way similar to send/receive, but AFAIU not fully solvable with that. What I want to do is making incremental backups of a (btrfs) filesystem to smaller mediums (that is for example: from a big RAID filesystem to many BluRays or similar things). Right now I make this as follows: Every time backups should be made, I create a ext4 image which would just fit inside the UDF fs of a BluRay (the ext4 image in turn is dm-crypt encrypted) and copy as many *complete*[0] files from the source filesystem to that image as possible. That image file is then burned to BluRay. I also write an SHA512 sum of the whole image file to the BluRay so that one can check whether it can be still read correctly. Then the process continues with the remaining files. The main idea behind writing only complete files to the separate parts of the backup is, that I don't want to have a backup set, where I may get into troubles if just one of the disks fails. Obviously, when I would do regularly backups that way, then I'd write each time a big amount of data which hasn't changed at all, which is not just a costly issue, but also quite time consuming. So ideally, I'd want to do just an incremental backup of all the files that have been added/modified + the information of what has been deleted/moved/changed it's properties. All that already smells quite a lot after making a snapshot at the last backup, and then doing send/receive for the next one. Now the problem, though, is, that I don't want to loose the property of working in terms of complete files (and I guess send/recieve does not), i.e. when a big file has just one block changed, I still would like to have the complete file on the next incremental dump (and not just information about the "diff"). The only exception is when file metadata changes (i.e. pathname, date, permissions, xattrs, etc.). If *just* one of these changes I wouldn't want to backup the full raw data of the file again. Another issue is, that send gives me one big file, while I would need however n files of max size m, where m is e.g. what fits in a BluRay's UDF... or perhaps on a 3,5" HD Floppy ;) Because of the "complete files" constraint I cannot just split the file from btrfs send,... because the split would need to happen so that no files are split up. Any ideas whether and how this could be done / assisted by btrfs? Thanks, Chris. [0] Obviously there is a problem, when a single file would be larger than a BluRay, but so far this hasn't happened to me. If so, I'd of course need to split the file. --=-X3ulLu1JGydXuieX98LU Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCEZIw ggW/MIIDp6ADAgECAgMCOakwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQENBQAwVDEUMBIGA1UEChMLQ0FjZXJ0IEluYy4x HjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuQ0FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ0FjZXJ0IENsYXNzIDMg Um9vdDAeFw0xNDA2MTIxNjM2MThaFw0xNjA2MTExNjM2MThaMHwxITAfBgNVBAMTGENocmlzdG9w aCBBbnRvbiBNaXR0ZXJlcjEkMCIGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYVY2FsZXN0eW9Ac2NpZW50aWEubmV0MTEw LwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFiJtYWlsQGNocmlzdG9waC5hbnRvbi5taXR0ZXJlci5uYW1lMIIBIjANBgkq hkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA4phP/j9vT9dZT+k3ffHxvRWMOuzBnu5O3Fl4y2+WL7pL rfLiEhWzGXhHvjSqpt4vCNSdqy43453nnu8+hMb+uEtqSIL1AHU5eLhuDNVN9S4bt9E7nA2WKYBU LCUi/xCD/GL7ToyJNwhrhzcCZ7pXSc3xVqFoC4f6weU9ExhoEZQNRpTM0BFCOi4fRxvKFNnUYgjK hqy0Ta5H0Xx86mAp0Q4dxoD7mhI5iTF6TRkUheELxF24JCuAf04M89Cwft6DRH1FpJ3yvgW2B5U5 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