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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>, Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] fix up lock order reversal in writeback
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:58:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101118235837.GE5004@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290104468-sup-7908@think>

On Thu 18-11-10 13:33:54, Chris Mason wrote:
> > Can we just delete writeback_inodes_sb_nr_if_idle() and
> > writeback_inodes_sb_if_idle()?  The changelog for 17bd55d037a02 is
> > pretty handwavy - do we know that deleting these things would make a
> > jot of difference?
> > 
> > And why _do_ we need to hold s_umount during the bdi_queue_work()
> > handover?  Would simply bumping s_count suffice?
> > 
> 
> We don't need to keep the super in ram, we need to keep the FS mounted
> so that writepage and friends continue to do useful things.  s_count
> isn't enough for that...but when the bdi stuff is passed an SB from
> something that has the SB explicitly pinned, we should be able to safely
> skip the locking.
> 
> Since these functions are only used in that context it makes good sense
> to try_lock them or drop the lock completely.
> 
> I think the only reason we need the lock:
> 
> void writeback_inodes_sb_nr(struct super_block *sb, unsigned long nr)
> {
> ...
>         WARN_ON(!rwsem_is_locked(&sb->s_umount));
  The above is the only reason why we need the lock in the call from
->write_begin(). Yes. But:

> We're not going to go from rw to ro with dirty pages unless something
> horrible has gone wrong (eios all around in the FS), so I'm not sure why
> we need the lock at all?
  One of the nasty cases is for example: Writeback thread decides inode
needs writeout, so the thread gets inode reference. Then someone calls
umount and gets EBUSY because writeback thread is working. Kind of
unexpected... So generally we *do* need a serialization of writeback thread
and umount / remount. Just in that particular case where we call the
function from ->write_begin(), s_umount is overkill...

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-16 11:00 [patch] fix up lock order reversal in writeback Nick Piggin
2010-11-16 13:01 ` Jan Kara
2010-11-17  4:30   ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-17  4:38     ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-17  5:05       ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-17  6:10         ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18  3:06           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18  3:29             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  6:00               ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18  6:28                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  8:18                   ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18 10:51                     ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-18 17:58                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19  5:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-19 12:07                         ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-18 14:55                   ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-18 17:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 18:04                       ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-18 18:24                         ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-18 18:39                           ` Chris Mason
2010-11-18 18:36                         ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 18:51                           ` Chris Mason
2010-11-18 20:22                             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 20:36                               ` Chris Mason
2010-11-18 19:02                           ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-18 20:17                             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 18:33                   ` Chris Mason
2010-11-18 23:58                     ` Jan Kara [this message]
2010-11-19  0:45                   ` Jan Kara
2010-11-19  5:16                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-22 18:16                       ` Jan Kara
2010-11-23  8:07                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-23 13:32                           ` Jan Kara
2010-11-23  8:15                         ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18 18:53             ` Al Viro
2010-11-18  3:18           ` Eric Sandeen
2010-11-22 23:43             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-16 20:32 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-17  3:56   ` Nick Piggin

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