From: Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>
To: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@wpkg.org>
Cc: linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Offline Deduplication for Btrfs
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:51:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110106095104.GA5787@glandium.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D258D6A.9010903@wpkg.org>
On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:37:46AM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> >I have been thinking a lot about de-duplication for a backup application
> >I am writing. I wrote a little script to figure out how much it would
> >save me. For my laptop home directory, about 100 GiB of data, it was a
> >couple of percent, depending a bit on the size of the chunks. With 4 KiB
> >chunks, I would save about two gigabytes. (That's assuming no MD5 hash
> >collisions.) I don't have VM images, but I do have a fair bit of saved
> >e-mail. So, for backups, I concluded it was worth it to provide an
> >option to do this. I have no opinion on whether it is worthwhile to do
> >in btrfs.
>
> Online deduplication is very useful for backups of big,
> multi-gigabyte files which change constantly.
> Some mail servers store files this way; some MUA store the files
> like this; databases are also common to pack everything in big files
> which tend to change here and there almost all the time.
>
> Multi-gigabyte files which only have few megabytes changed can't be
> hardlinked; simple maths shows that even compressing multiple files
> which have few differences will lead to greater space usage than a
> few megabytes extra in each (because everything else is
> deduplicated).
>
> And I don't even want to think about IO needed to offline dedup a
> multi-terabyte storage (1 TB disks and bigger are becoming standard
> nowadays) i.e. daily, especially when the storage is already heavily
> used in IO terms.
>
>
> Now, one popular tool which can deal with small changes in files is
> rsync. It can be used to copy files over the network - so that if
> you want to copy/update a multi-gigabyte file which only has a few
> changes, rsync would need to transfer just a few megabytes.
>
> On disk however, rsync creates a "temporary copy" of the original
> file, where it packs unchanged contents together with any changes
> made. For example, while it copies/updates a file, we will have:
>
> original_file.bin
> .temporary_random_name
>
> Later, original_file.bin would be removed, and
> .temporary_random_name would be renamed to original_file.bin. Here
> goes away any deduplication we had so far, we have to start the IO
> over again.
Sounds like all you need is cp --reflink=always and rsync --inplace.
Haven't tested is that works well, though.
Mike
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-01-06 9:37 Offline Deduplication for Btrfs Tomasz Chmielewski
2011-01-06 9:51 ` Mike Hommey [this message]
2011-01-06 16:57 ` Hubert Kario
2011-01-06 10:52 ` Gordan Bobic
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2011-01-16 0:18 Arjen Nienhuis
2011-01-05 16:36 Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 17:42 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 18:41 ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 19:01 ` Ray Van Dolson
2011-01-05 20:27 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 20:28 ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:25 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 21:14 ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 21:21 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 19:46 ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 19:58 ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:15 ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:34 ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 21:07 ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:12 ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 20:46 ` Gordan Bobic
[not found] ` <4D250B3C.6010708@shiftmail.org>
2011-01-06 1:03 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 1:56 ` Spelic
2011-01-06 10:39 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 3:33 ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-06 1:19 ` Spelic
2011-01-06 3:58 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 10:48 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:33 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:00 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 14:52 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 15:07 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 16:11 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 18:35 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-08 0:27 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:30 ` Tomasz Torcz
2011-01-06 14:49 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 1:29 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-06 10:33 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-10 15:28 ` Ric Wheeler
2011-01-10 15:37 ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-10 15:39 ` Chris Mason
2011-01-10 15:43 ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-06 12:18 ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 12:29 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:30 ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 14:20 ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06 14:41 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 15:37 ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06 8:25 ` Yan, Zheng
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