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From: Mike Hommey <mh@glandium.org>
To: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@wpkg.org>
Cc: linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Offline Deduplication for Btrfs
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:51:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110106095104.GA5787@glandium.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D258D6A.9010903@wpkg.org>

On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 10:37:46AM +0100, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> >I have been thinking a lot about de-duplication for a backup application
> >I am writing. I wrote a little script to figure out how much it would
> >save me. For my laptop home directory, about 100 GiB of data, it was a
> >couple of percent, depending a bit on the size of the chunks. With 4 KiB
> >chunks, I would save about two gigabytes. (That's assuming no MD5 hash
> >collisions.) I don't have VM images, but I do have a fair bit of saved
> >e-mail. So, for backups, I concluded it was worth it to provide an
> >option to do this. I have no opinion on whether it is worthwhile to do
> >in btrfs.
> 
> Online deduplication is very useful for backups of big,
> multi-gigabyte files which change constantly.
> Some mail servers store files this way; some MUA store the files
> like this; databases are also common to pack everything in big files
> which tend to change here and there almost all the time.
> 
> Multi-gigabyte files which only have few megabytes changed can't be
> hardlinked; simple maths shows that even compressing multiple files
> which have few differences will lead to greater space usage than a
> few megabytes extra in each (because everything else is
> deduplicated).
> 
> And I don't even want to think about IO needed to offline dedup a
> multi-terabyte storage (1 TB disks and bigger are becoming standard
> nowadays) i.e. daily, especially when the storage is already heavily
> used in IO terms.
> 
> 
> Now, one popular tool which can deal with small changes in files is
> rsync. It can be used to copy files over the network - so that if
> you want to copy/update a multi-gigabyte file which only has a few
> changes, rsync would need to transfer just a few megabytes.
> 
> On disk however, rsync creates a "temporary copy" of the original
> file, where it packs unchanged contents together with any changes
> made. For example, while it copies/updates a file, we will have:
> 
> original_file.bin
> .temporary_random_name
> 
> Later, original_file.bin would be removed, and
> .temporary_random_name would be renamed to original_file.bin. Here
> goes away any deduplication we had so far, we have to start the IO
> over again.

Sounds like all you need is cp --reflink=always and rsync --inplace.

Haven't tested is that works well, though.

Mike

  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-06  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-06  9:37 Offline Deduplication for Btrfs Tomasz Chmielewski
2011-01-06  9:51 ` Mike Hommey [this message]
2011-01-06 16:57   ` Hubert Kario
2011-01-06 10:52 ` Gordan Bobic
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-01-16  0:18 Arjen Nienhuis
2011-01-05 16:36 Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 17:42 ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 18:41   ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 19:01     ` Ray Van Dolson
2011-01-05 20:27       ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 20:28       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:25     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 21:14       ` Diego Calleja
2011-01-05 21:21         ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-05 19:46   ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 19:58     ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:15       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-05 20:34         ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 21:07       ` Lars Wirzenius
2011-01-05 20:12     ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-05 20:46     ` Gordan Bobic
     [not found]       ` <4D250B3C.6010708@shiftmail.org>
2011-01-06  1:03         ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  1:56           ` Spelic
2011-01-06 10:39             ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  3:33           ` Freddie Cash
2011-01-06  1:19       ` Spelic
2011-01-06  3:58         ` Peter A
2011-01-06 10:48           ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:33             ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:00               ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 14:52                 ` Peter A
2011-01-06 15:07                   ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 16:11                     ` Peter A
2011-01-06 18:35           ` Chris Mason
2011-01-08  0:27             ` Peter A
2011-01-06 14:30         ` Tomasz Torcz
2011-01-06 14:49           ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06  1:29   ` Chris Mason
2011-01-06 10:33     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-10 15:28     ` Ric Wheeler
2011-01-10 15:37       ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-10 15:39         ` Chris Mason
2011-01-10 15:43           ` Josef Bacik
2011-01-06 12:18   ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 12:29     ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 13:30       ` Simon Farnsworth
2011-01-06 14:20     ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06 14:41       ` Gordan Bobic
2011-01-06 15:37         ` Ondřej Bílka
2011-01-06  8:25 ` Yan, Zheng 

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