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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock()
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:53:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110325065300.GB1409@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikayCJyYVo1MNpg1EN+88bSQNOu=NPW5s_j4shD@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Steven, Linus.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:38:58PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> >
> > But now, mutex_trylock(B) becomes a spinner too, and since the B's owner
> > is running (spinning on A) it will spin as well waiting for A's owner to
> > release it. Unfortunately, A's owner is also spinning waiting for B to
> > release it.
> >
> > If both A and B's owners are real time tasks, then boom! deadlock.
> 
> Hmm. I think you're right. And it looks pretty fundamental - I don't
> see any reasonable approach to avoid it.

Hmmm... I have an idea.  Will play with it a bit and post if it works
out okay.

> I think the RT issue is a red herring too - afaik, you can get a
> deadlock with two perfectly normal processes too. Of course, for
> non-RT tasks, any other process will eventually disturb the situation
> and you'd get kicked out due to need_resched(), but even that might be
> avoided for a long time if there are other CPU's - leading to tons of
> wasted CPU time.

Yeap, need_resched() currently is the only thing which limits the
duration of spinning when the owner continues to run.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-25  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-23 15:37 [RFC PATCH] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock() Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 15:40 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 15:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-23 15:52   ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 19:46   ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-24  8:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-25  3:24   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 10:29     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-24  9:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] Subject: mutex: Separate out mutex_spin() Tejun Heo
2011-03-24  9:41   ` [PATCH 2/2] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock() Tejun Heo
2011-03-25  3:39     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25  4:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-25  6:53         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2011-03-25 13:10           ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 13:29             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 11:13       ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-25 13:12         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 13:50           ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-25 14:05             ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 19:51               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-25 10:12     ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-25 10:31       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-29 16:37       ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-29 17:09         ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-29 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30  8:17             ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-30 11:29               ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 11:46         ` Chris Mason
2011-03-30 11:52           ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 11:59             ` Chris Mason
2011-03-24  9:42   ` [PATCH 1/2] Subject: mutex: Separate out mutex_spin() Tejun Heo

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