From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock()
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:53:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110325065300.GB1409@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikayCJyYVo1MNpg1EN+88bSQNOu=NPW5s_j4shD@mail.gmail.com>
Hello, Steven, Linus.
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:38:58PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> >
> > But now, mutex_trylock(B) becomes a spinner too, and since the B's owner
> > is running (spinning on A) it will spin as well waiting for A's owner to
> > release it. Unfortunately, A's owner is also spinning waiting for B to
> > release it.
> >
> > If both A and B's owners are real time tasks, then boom! deadlock.
>
> Hmm. I think you're right. And it looks pretty fundamental - I don't
> see any reasonable approach to avoid it.
Hmmm... I have an idea. Will play with it a bit and post if it works
out okay.
> I think the RT issue is a red herring too - afaik, you can get a
> deadlock with two perfectly normal processes too. Of course, for
> non-RT tasks, any other process will eventually disturb the situation
> and you'd get kicked out due to need_resched(), but even that might be
> avoided for a long time if there are other CPU's - leading to tons of
> wasted CPU time.
Yeap, need_resched() currently is the only thing which limits the
duration of spinning when the owner continues to run.
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-25 6:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-23 15:37 [RFC PATCH] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock() Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 15:40 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 15:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-23 15:52 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-23 19:46 ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-24 8:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-25 3:24 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 10:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-24 9:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] Subject: mutex: Separate out mutex_spin() Tejun Heo
2011-03-24 9:41 ` [PATCH 2/2] mutex: Apply adaptive spinning on mutex_trylock() Tejun Heo
2011-03-25 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 4:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-25 6:53 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2011-03-25 13:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 13:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 11:13 ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-25 13:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 13:50 ` Andrey Kuzmin
2011-03-25 14:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-03-25 19:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-25 10:12 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-25 10:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-03-29 16:37 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-29 17:09 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-29 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 8:17 ` Tejun Heo
2011-03-30 11:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 11:46 ` Chris Mason
2011-03-30 11:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-30 11:59 ` Chris Mason
2011-03-24 9:42 ` [PATCH 1/2] Subject: mutex: Separate out mutex_spin() Tejun Heo
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