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From: "Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
To: Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>
Cc: Tomokhov Alexander <alexoundos@ya.ru>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: Will Btrfs have an official command to "uncow" existing files?
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:06:13 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160822230613.GA8256@birch.djwong.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <57BB5D1B.8040305@suse.com>

[add Dave and Christoph to cc]

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 04:14:19PM -0400, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
> On 8/21/16 2:59 PM, Tomokhov Alexander wrote:
> > Btrfs wiki FAQ gives a link to example Python script: https://github.com/stsquad/scripts/blob/master/uncow.py
> > 
> > But such a crucial and fundamental tool must exist in stock btrfs-progs. Filesystem with CoW technology at it's core must provide user sufficient control over CoW aspects. Running 3rd-party or manually written scripts for filesystem properties/metadata manipulation is not convenient, not safe and definitely not the way it must be done.
> > 
> > Also is it possible (at least in theory) to "uncow" files being currently opened in-place? Without the trickery with creation & renaming of files or directories. So that running "chattr +C" on a file would be sufficient. If possible, is it going to be implemented?
> 
> XFS is looking to do this via fallocate using a flag that all file
> systems can choose to honor.  Once that lands, it would make sense for
> btrfs to use it as well.  The idea is that when you pass the flag in, we
> examine the range and CoW anything that has a refcount != 1.

There /was/ a flag to do that -- FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE.  However,
Christoph and Dave felt[1] that the fallocate call didn't need to have
an explicit 'unshare' mode because unsharing shared blocks is
necessary to guarantee that a subsequent write will not ENOSPC.  I
felt that was sufficient justification to withdraw the unshare mode
flag.  If you fallocate the entire length of a shared file on XFS, it
will turn off CoW for that file until you reflink/dedupe it again.

At the time I wondered whether or not the btrfs developers (the list
was cc'd) would pipe up in support of the unshare flag, but nobody
did.  Consequently it remains nonexistent.  Christoph commented a few
months ago about unsharing fallocate over NFS atop XFS blocking for a
long time, though nobody asked for 'unshare' to be reinstated as a
separate fallocate mode, much less a 'don't unshare' flag for regular
fallocate mode.

(FWIW I'm ok with not having to fight for more VFS changes. :))

> That code hasn't landed yet though.  The last time I saw it posted was
> June.  I don't speak with knowledge of the integration plan, but it
> might just be queued up for the next merge window now that the reverse
> mapping patches have landed in 4.8.

I am going to try to land XFS reflink in 4.9; I hope to have an eighth
patchset out for review at the end of the week.

So... if the btrfs folks really want an unshare flag I can trivially
re-add it to the VFS headers and re-enable it in the XFS
implementation <cough> but y'all better speak up now and hammer out an
acceptable definition.  I don't think XFS needs a new flag.

--D

[1] https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-nfs/msg54740.html

> 
> -Jeff
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Mahoney
> SUSE Labs
> 




  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-22 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-21 18:59 Will Btrfs have an official command to "uncow" existing files? Tomokhov Alexander
2016-08-22  2:00 ` Duncan
2016-08-22 23:54   ` Tomokhov Alexander
2016-08-22 20:14 ` Jeff Mahoney
2016-08-22 22:53   ` Tomokhov Alexander
2016-08-22 23:06   ` Darrick J. Wong [this message]
2016-08-23  2:43     ` Chris Murphy
2016-08-23 11:23       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-08-24 18:34       ` Omar Sandoval
2016-08-24 22:42         ` Darrick J. Wong
2016-08-24 22:47           ` Omar Sandoval
2016-08-23  5:54     ` Dave Chinner
2016-08-24  0:48     ` Jeff Mahoney
2016-08-24  1:03       ` Darrick J. Wong
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-01-22 11:41 Cerem Cem ASLAN
2023-01-22 16:55 ` Forza
2023-01-22 20:27 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2023-01-23  0:20   ` Zygo Blaxell
2023-01-30 16:39     ` Patrik Lundquist
2023-01-31 11:25       ` Patrik Lundquist
2023-01-23  7:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-29  0:40   ` Zygo Blaxell

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