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From: Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl>
To: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: exclusive subvolume space missing
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 11:47:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171203104630.2brvt2a3lkf5m3ag@angband.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan$4b81d$3ba1cf57$e9dd4e05$8cf6db12@cox.net>

On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 01:45:45AM +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Tomasz Pala posted on Sat, 02 Dec 2017 18:18:19 +0100 as excerpted:
> >> I got ~500 small files (100-500 kB) updated partially in regular
> >> intervals:
> >> 
> >> # du -Lc **/*.rrd | tail -n1
> >> 105M    total
> 
> FWIW, I've no idea what rrd files, or rrdcached (from the grandparent post)
> are (other than that a quick google suggests that it's...
> round-robin-database...

Basically: preallocate a file, its size doesn't change since then.  Every a
few minutes, write several bytes into the file, slowly advancing.

This is indeed the worst possible case for btrfs, and nocow doesn't help the
slightest as the database doesn't wrap around before a typical snapshot
interval.

> Meanwhile, /because/ nocow has these complexities along with others (nocow
> automatically turns off data checksumming and compression for the files
> too), and the fact that they nullify some of the big reasons people might
> choose btrfs in the first place, I actually don't recommend setting
> nocow in the first place -- if usage is such than a file needs nocow,
> my thinking is that btrfs isn't a particularly good hosting choice for
> that file in the first place, a more traditional rewrite-in-place
> filesystem is likely to be a better fit.

I'd say that the only good use for nocow is "I wish I have placed this file
on a non-btrfs, but it'd be too much hassle to repartition".

If you snapshot nocow at all, you get the worst of both worlds.


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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-03 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-01 16:15 exclusive subvolume space missing Tomasz Pala
2017-12-01 21:27 ` Duncan
2017-12-01 21:36 ` Hugo Mills
2017-12-02  0:53   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-02  1:05     ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-02  1:43       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-02  2:17         ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-02  2:56     ` Duncan
2017-12-02 16:28     ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-02 17:18       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-03  1:45         ` Duncan
2017-12-03 10:47           ` Adam Borowski [this message]
2017-12-04  5:11             ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-10 10:49           ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-04  4:58     ` Chris Murphy
2017-12-02  0:27 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-02  1:23   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-02  1:47     ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-02  2:21       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-02  2:35         ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-02  9:33           ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-04  0:34             ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-10 11:27               ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-10 15:49                 ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-10 23:44                 ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-11  0:24                   ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-11 11:40                   ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-12  0:50                     ` Qu Wenruo
2017-12-15  8:22                       ` Tomasz Pala
2017-12-16  3:21                         ` Duncan
2017-12-05 18:47   ` How exclusive in parent qgroup is computed? (was: Re: exclusive subvolume space missing) Andrei Borzenkov
2017-12-05 23:57     ` How exclusive in parent qgroup is computed? Qu Wenruo

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