From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Filipe Manana <fdmanana@kernel.org>,
fstests <fstests@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Filipe Manana <fdmanana@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] generic: add test for fsync after shrinking truncate and rename
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 09:33:01 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190305223301.GD26298@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxgKj8pAKKra9jv+xTb9dOxG-J5fKvJ_6a_iabWR9RbgrQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 05, 2019 at 07:39:28AM +0200, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:50 AM Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 04, 2019 at 05:04:23PM +0200, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:44 PM <fdmanana@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Filipe Manana <fdmanana@suse.com>
> > > >
> > > > Test that if we truncate a file to reduce its size, rename it and then
> > > > fsync it, after a power failure the file has a correct size and name.
This says:
- ftruncate A
- rename A B
- fsync B
> > > I am not sure that ext4/xfs semantics guaranty anything about
> > > persisting file name after fsync of file?...
> >
> > They do. It's that pesky "strictly ordered metadata" thing I keep
> > having to explain to people...
> >
> > i.e. if you fsync an inode, then you are persisting all the changes
> > needed to reference that file and it's data. And so if there was a
> > rename in the history of that file, then that is persisted, too.
> > Which means that both the original and the new directory
> > modifications are persisted, too.
> >
> > *POSIX* doesn't require this - it says that if you O_DSYNC data,
> > then it also includes all the metadata needed to reference that
> > data. So even if the data is there, POSIX doesn't define whether the
> > rename is there or noti, just that you can get to the fsync'd data
> > via either the old or new name. IOWs, POSIX allows the behaviour to
> > be implementation specific.
> >
> > In this case, file systems with strictly ordered metadata will end
> > up making the rename visible because the rename occurred before the
> > truncate that the fsync() is persisting...
> >
>
> That is not what is happening in Filipe's test. Test has:
> - ftruncate A
> - fsync A
> - rename A B
> - fsync B
And this does not match the test description.
/me goes and looks at the test again to check.
Ok, the test is as Filipe describes:
- pwrite 0 0x8000 A
- fsync A
- truncate 3000 A
- rename A B
- fsync B
There is no fsync between truncate and rename.
> So the reason this is working is because 2nd fsync needs to
> persist ctime of B and not because it needs to persist the
> truncate.
ctime modifications during rename are irrelevent because there's no
fsync between the truncate and the rename so the file inode is
already dirty due to the truncate. I think you've got the wrong end
of the stick here, Amir. :)
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-05 22:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-04 14:06 [PATCH] generic: add test for fsync after shrinking truncate and rename fdmanana
2019-03-04 15:04 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-04 15:23 ` Filipe Manana
2019-03-04 17:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-04 22:30 ` Filipe Manana
2019-03-05 5:59 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-05 9:26 ` Filipe Manana
2019-03-05 10:51 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-05 0:50 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-05 1:00 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-05 1:08 ` Vijay Chidambaram
2019-03-05 5:39 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-05 22:33 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2019-03-06 7:51 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-06 21:48 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-07 7:52 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-07 23:19 ` Jayashree Mohan
2019-03-08 4:35 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-08 15:11 ` Vijay Chidambaram
2019-03-19 1:13 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-08 3:46 ` Dave Chinner
2019-03-05 9:26 ` [PATCH v2] " fdmanana
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