From: bfields@fieldses.org (J. Bruce Fields)
To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com>
Cc: Supercilious Dude <supercilious.dude@gmail.com>,
"linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org" <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is it possible that certain physical disk doesn't implement flush correctly?
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:45:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190331224553.GA17421@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4f5586f7-aef1-4e2a-2aee-5d040c023c68@gmx.com>
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 09:24:37PM +0800, Qu Wenruo wrote:
>
>
> On 2019/3/30 下午9:14, Supercilious Dude wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 13:09, Qu Wenruo <quwenruo.btrfs@gmx.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If controller is doing so, it must have its own power or at least finish
> >> flush when controller writes to its fast cache.
> >>
> >
> > The controller has its own battery backup to power the DRAM cache, as
> > well as flash storage to dump it onto in the exceedingly unlikely
> > event that the battery gets depleted.
> >
> >> For cache case, if we have enough data, we could still find some clue on
> >> the flush execution time.
> >>
> >> Despite that, for that enterprise level usage, it's OK.
> >>
> >> But for consumer level storage, I'm not sure, especially for HDDs, and
> >> maybe NVMe devices.
> >>
> >
> > How do you distinguish who is a who? Am I an enterprise or a consumer?
>
> Easy, price. :P
>
> To be honest, I don't really care about that fancy use case.
> It's the vendor doing its work, and if something wrong happened,
> customer will yell at them.
>
> I'm more interesting in the consumer level situation.
The feature seems to be advertised as "power loss protection" or
"enhanced power loss data protection". Which makes it sound like a data
safety feature when really it's a performance feature. E.g. these are
the Intel drives with "EPLDP":
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/search/featurefilter.html?productType=35125&0_EPLDP=True
Last I checked there were some that weren't too expensive.
--b.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-31 22:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-30 12:31 Is it possible that certain physical disk doesn't implement flush correctly? Qu Wenruo
2019-03-30 12:57 ` Supercilious Dude
2019-03-30 13:00 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-30 13:04 ` Supercilious Dude
2019-03-30 13:09 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-30 13:14 ` Supercilious Dude
2019-03-30 13:24 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-31 22:45 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2019-03-31 23:07 ` Alberto Bursi
2019-03-31 11:27 ` Alberto Bursi
2019-03-31 12:00 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-31 13:36 ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-03-31 14:17 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-31 14:37 ` Hannes Reinecke
2019-03-31 14:40 ` Qu Wenruo
2019-03-31 12:21 ` Andrei Borzenkov
2019-04-01 11:55 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2019-04-01 12:04 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
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