From: Gao Xiang <hsiangkao@redhat.com>
To: dsterba@suse.cz
Cc: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
Neal Gompa <ngompa13@gmail.com>, Amy Parker <enbyamy@gmail.com>,
Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Adding LZ4 compression support to Btrfs
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:28:54 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210226112854.GA1890271@xiangao.remote.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210226093653.GI7604@twin.jikos.cz>
On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:36:53AM +0100, David Sterba wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:50:56AM -0800, Eric Biggers wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 02:26:47PM +0100, David Sterba wrote:
> > >
> > > LZ4 support has been asked for so many times that it has it's own FAQ
> > > entry:
> > > https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Will_btrfs_support_LZ4.3F
> > >
> > > The decompression speed is not the only thing that should be evaluated,
> > > the way compression works in btrfs (in 4k blocks) does not allow good
> > > compression ratios and overall LZ4 does not do much better than LZO. So
> > > this is not worth the additional costs of compatibility. With ZSTD we
> > > got the high compression and recently there have been added real-time
> > > compression levels that we'll use in btrfs eventually.
> >
> > When ZSTD support was being added to btrfs, it was claimed that btrfs compresses
> > up to 128KB at a time
> > (https://lore.kernel.org/r/5a7c09dd-3415-0c00-c0f2-a605a0656499@fb.com).
> > So which is it -- 4KB or 128KB?
>
> Logical extent ranges are sliced to 128K that are submitted to the
> compression routine. Then, the whole range is fed by 4K (or more exactly
> by page sized chunks) to the compression. Depending on the capabilities
> of the compression algorithm, the 4K chunks are either independent or
> can reuse some internal state of the algorithm.
>
> LZO and LZ4 use some kind of embedded dictionary in the same buffer, and
> references to that dictionary directly. Ie. assuming the whole input
> range to be contiguous. Which is something that's not trivial to achive
> in kernel because of pages that are not contiguous in general.
>
> Thus, LZO and LZ4 compress 4K at a time, each chunk is independent. This
> results in worse compression ratio because of less data reuse
> possibilities. OTOH this allows decompression in place.
Sorry about the noise before. I misread btrfs LZO implementation.
Yet it sounds that approach has lower CR than compress 128kb as
a while. In principle it can archive decompress in-place (margin
by a whole lzo chunk), yet LZ4/LZO algorithm can have a more
accurate lower inplace margin in math.
>
> ZLIB and ZSTD can have a separate dictionary and don't need the input
> chunks to be contiguous. This brings some additional overhead like
> copying parts of the input to the dictionary and additional memory for
> themporary structures, but with higher compression ratios.
>
> IIRC the biggest problem for LZ4 was the cost of setting up each 4K
> chunk, the work memory had to be zeroed. The size of the work memory is
> tunable but trading off compression ratio. Either way it was either too
> slow or too bad.
May I ask why LZ4 needs to zero the work memory (if you mean dest
buffer and LZ4_decompress_safe), just out of curiousity... I didn't
see that restriction before. Thanks!
Thanks,
Gao Xiang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-26 11:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-24 22:50 Adding LZ4 compression support to Btrfs Amy Parker
2021-02-25 13:18 ` Neal Gompa
2021-02-25 13:26 ` David Sterba
2021-02-25 18:50 ` Eric Biggers
2021-02-26 3:54 ` Gao Xiang
2021-02-26 9:36 ` David Sterba
2021-02-26 11:28 ` Gao Xiang [this message]
2021-02-26 13:11 ` Gao Xiang
2021-02-26 14:12 ` David Sterba
2021-02-26 14:35 ` Gao Xiang
2021-02-26 16:39 ` Eric Biggers
2021-03-05 13:55 ` David Sterba
[not found] ` <CAPkEcwjcRgnaWLmqM1jEvH5A9PijsQEY5BKFyKdt_+TeugaJ_g@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-25 23:18 ` Amy Parker
2021-02-26 0:21 ` Neal Gompa
2021-02-25 13:32 ` Filipe Manana
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