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Sun, 22 Dec 2019 22:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: fstrim is takes a long time on Btrfs and NVMe To: Chris Murphy , Roman Mamedov Cc: Josef Bacik , Btrfs BTRFS References: <5e910a0e-2da8-72a0-fa36-7d48f2454ca4@toxicpanda.com> <20191223001512.6477bd8f@natsu> From: Nikolay Borisov Autocrypt: addr=nborisov@suse.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFiKBz4BEADNHZmqwhuN6EAzXj9SpPpH/nSSP8YgfwoOqwrP+JR4pIqRK0AWWeWCSwmZ T7g+RbfPFlmQp+EwFWOtABXlKC54zgSf+uulGwx5JAUFVUIRBmnHOYi/lUiE0yhpnb1KCA7f u/W+DkwGerXqhhe9TvQoGwgCKNfzFPZoM+gZrm+kWv03QLUCr210n4cwaCPJ0Nr9Z3c582xc bCUVbsjt7BN0CFa2BByulrx5xD9sDAYIqfLCcZetAqsTRGxM7LD0kh5WlKzOeAXj5r8DOrU2 GdZS33uKZI/kZJZVytSmZpswDsKhnGzRN1BANGP8sC+WD4eRXajOmNh2HL4P+meO1TlM3GLl EQd2shHFY0qjEo7wxKZI1RyZZ5AgJnSmehrPCyuIyVY210CbMaIKHUIsTqRgY5GaNME24w7h TyyVCy2qAM8fLJ4Vw5bycM/u5xfWm7gyTb9V1TkZ3o1MTrEsrcqFiRrBY94Rs0oQkZvunqia c+NprYSaOG1Cta14o94eMH271Kka/reEwSZkC7T+o9hZ4zi2CcLcY0DXj0qdId7vUKSJjEep c++s8ncFekh1MPhkOgNj8pk17OAESanmDwksmzh1j12lgA5lTFPrJeRNu6/isC2zyZhTwMWs k3LkcTa8ZXxh0RfWAqgx/ogKPk4ZxOXQEZetkEyTFghbRH2BIwARAQABzSJOaWtvbGF5IEJv cmlzb3YgPG5ib3Jpc292QHN1c2UuZGU+wsF4BBMBAgAiBQJYijkSAhsDBgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJ CgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRBxvoJG5T8oV/B6D/9a8EcRPdHg8uLEPywuJR8URwXzkofT5bZE IfGF0Z+Lt2ADe+nLOXrwKsamhweUFAvwEUxxnndovRLPOpWerTOAl47lxad08080jXnGfYFS Dc+ew7C3SFI4tFFHln8Y22Q9075saZ2yQS1ywJy+TFPADIprAZXnPbbbNbGtJLoq0LTiESnD w/SUC6sfikYwGRS94Dc9qO4nWyEvBK3Ql8NkoY0Sjky3B0vL572Gq0ytILDDGYuZVo4alUs8 LeXS5ukoZIw1QYXVstDJQnYjFxYgoQ5uGVi4t7FsFM/6ykYDzbIPNOx49Rbh9W4uKsLVhTzG BDTzdvX4ARl9La2kCQIjjWRg+XGuBM5rxT/NaTS78PXjhqWNYlGc5OhO0l8e5DIS2tXwYMDY LuHYNkkpMFksBslldvNttSNei7xr5VwjVqW4vASk2Aak5AleXZS+xIq2FADPS/XSgIaepyTV tkfnyreep1pk09cjfXY4A7qpEFwazCRZg9LLvYVc2M2eFQHDMtXsH59nOMstXx2OtNMcx5p8 0a5FHXE/HoXz3p9bD0uIUq6p04VYOHsMasHqHPbsMAq9V2OCytJQPWwe46bBjYZCOwG0+x58 fBFreP/NiJNeTQPOa6FoxLOLXMuVtpbcXIqKQDoEte9aMpoj9L24f60G4q+pL/54ql2VRscK d87BTQRYigc+ARAAyJSq9EFk28++SLfg791xOh28tLI6Yr8wwEOvM3wKeTfTZd+caVb9gBBy wxYhIopKlK1zq2YP7ZjTP1aPJGoWvcQZ8fVFdK/1nW+Z8/NTjaOx1mfrrtTGtFxVBdSCgqBB jHTnlDYV1R5plJqK+ggEP1a0mr/rpQ9dFGvgf/5jkVpRnH6BY0aYFPprRL8ZCcdv2DeeicOO YMobD5g7g/poQzHLLeT0+y1qiLIFefNABLN06Lf0GBZC5l8hCM3Rpb4ObyQ4B9PmL/KTn2FV Xq/c0scGMdXD2QeWLePC+yLMhf1fZby1vVJ59pXGq+o7XXfYA7xX0JsTUNxVPx/MgK8aLjYW hX+TRA4bCr4uYt/S3ThDRywSX6Hr1lyp4FJBwgyb8iv42it8KvoeOsHqVbuCIGRCXqGGiaeX Wa0M/oxN1vJjMSIEVzBAPi16tztL/wQtFHJtZAdCnuzFAz8ue6GzvsyBj97pzkBVacwp3/Mw qbiu7sDz7yB0d7J2tFBJYNpVt/Lce6nQhrvon0VqiWeMHxgtQ4k92Eja9u80JDaKnHDdjdwq FUikZirB28UiLPQV6PvCckgIiukmz/5ctAfKpyYRGfez+JbAGl6iCvHYt/wAZ7Oqe/3Cirs5 KhaXBcMmJR1qo8QH8eYZ+qhFE3bSPH446+5oEw8A9v5oonKV7zMAEQEAAcLBXwQYAQIACQUC WIoHPgIbDAAKCRBxvoJG5T8oV1pyD/4zdXdOL0lhkSIjJWGqz7Idvo0wjVHSSQCbOwZDWNTN JBTP0BUxHpPu/Z8gRNNP9/k6i63T4eL1xjy4umTwJaej1X15H8Hsh+zakADyWHadbjcUXCkg OJK4NsfqhMuaIYIHbToi9K5pAKnV953xTrK6oYVyd/Rmkmb+wgsbYQJ0Ur1Ficwhp6qU1CaJ mJwFjaWaVgUERoxcejL4ruds66LM9Z1Qqgoer62ZneID6ovmzpCWbi2sfbz98+kW46aA/w8r 7sulgs1KXWhBSv5aWqKU8C4twKjlV2XsztUUsyrjHFj91j31pnHRklBgXHTD/pSRsN0UvM26 lPs0g3ryVlG5wiZ9+JbI3sKMfbdfdOeLxtL25ujs443rw1s/PVghphoeadVAKMPINeRCgoJH zZV/2Z/myWPRWWl/79amy/9MfxffZqO9rfugRBORY0ywPHLDdo9Kmzoxoxp9w3uTrTLZaT9M KIuxEcV8wcVjr+Wr9zRl06waOCkgrQbTPp631hToxo+4rA1jiQF2M80HAet65ytBVR2pFGZF zGYYLqiG+mpUZ+FPjxk9kpkRYz61mTLSY7tuFljExfJWMGfgSg1OxfLV631jV1TcdUnx+h3l Sqs2vMhAVt14zT8mpIuu2VNxcontxgVr1kzYA/tQg32fVRbGr449j1gw57BV9i0vww== Message-ID: <347063a8-d0d9-4fa9-564c-17f7e01121cb@suse.com> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:29:17 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org On 23.12.19 г. 0:11 ч., Chris Murphy wrote: > On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 12:15 PM Roman Mamedov wrote: >> >> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:06:57 +0200 >> Nikolay Borisov wrote: >> >>> Well, if we rework how fitrim is implemented - e.g. make discards async >>> and have some sort of locking to exclude queued extents being allocated >>> we can alleviate the problem somewhat. >> >> Please keep fstrim synchronous, in many cases TRIM is expected to be completed >> as it returns, for the next step of making a snapshot of a thin LV for backup, >> to shutdown a VM for migration, and so on. > > XFS already does async discards. What's the effect of FIFREEZE on > discards? An LV snapshot freezes the file system on the LV just prior > to the snapshot. Actually, XFS issues synchronous discards for the FITRIM ioctl i.e xfs_trim_extents calls blkdev_issue_discard same as with BTRFS. And Dennis' patches implement async runtime discards (which is what XFS is using by default). > >> I don't think many really care about how long fstrim takes, it's not a typical >> interactive end-user task. > > I only care if I notice it affecting user space (excepting my timed > use of fstrim for testing). > > Speculation: If a scheduled fstrim can block startup, that's not OK. I > don't have enough data to know if it's possible, let alone likely. But > when fstrim takes a minute to discard the unused blocks in only 51GiB > of used block groups (likely highly fragmented free space), and only a > fraction of a second to discard the unused block *groups*, I'm > suspicious startup delays may be possible. If it takes that long then it's the drive's implementaiton at fault. Whatever we do in software we will only masking the latency, which might be workable solution for some but not for others. > > Found this, from 2019 LSFMM > https://lwn.net/Articles/787272/ > > >