From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.44]:49614 "EHLO resqmta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751433AbaL1EDQ (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:03:16 -0500 Message-ID: <549F80FD.4050804@pobox.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 20:03:09 -0800 From: Robert White MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bardur Arantsson , linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: BTRFS free space handling still needs more work: Hangs again References: <3738341.y7uRQFcLJH@merkaba> <34633403.WlleJmkifE@merkaba> <549ECCD8.6090307@pobox.com> <1694920.QVWA5EcL6C@merkaba> <549F4E0A.9090700@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On 12/27/2014 05:01 PM, Bardur Arantsson wrote: > On 2014-12-28 01:25, Robert White wrote: >> On 12/27/2014 08:01 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: >>>> From how you write I get the impression that you think everyone else >>> beside you is just silly and dumb. Please stop this assumption. I may not >>> always get terms right, and I may make a mistake as with the wrong df >>> figure. But I also highly dislike to feel treated like someone who >>> doesn´t >>> know a thing. >> >> Nope. I'm a systems theorist and I demand/require variable isolation. >> >> Not a question of "silly" or "dumb" but a question of "speaking with >> sufficient precision and clarity". >> >> For instance you speak of "having an impression" and then decide I've >> made an assumption. >> >> I define my position. Explain my terms. Give my examples. >> >> I also risk being utterly wrong because sometimes being completely wrong >> gets others to cut away misconceptions and assumptions. >> >> It annoys some people, but it gets results. > > Can you please stop this bullshit posturing nonsense? It accomlishes > nothing -- if you're right your other posts will stand for themselves > and show that you are indeed "the shit" when it comes to these matters, > but this post (so far, didn't read further) accomplishes nothing other > than (possibly) convincing everyone that you're a pompous/self-important > ass. Really? "accomplishes nothing"? 24 hours ago: the complaining party was talking about - Windows XP - Tax software - Virtual box - vdi files - defragging - balancing - "data trees" - system hanging And the responding party was saying "you are the only person reporting this as a regular occurrence" with the implication that the report was a duplicate or at least might not get much immediate attention. Now: The complaining party has verified the minimum, repeatable case of simple file allocation on a very fragmented system and the responding party and several others have understood and supported the bug. That's not "accomplishing nothing", thats called engaging in diagnostics instead of dismissing a complaint, and sticking out the diagnostic process until everyone is on the same page. I never dismissed Martin. I never disbelieved him. I went through his elements one at a time with examples of what I was taking away from him and why they didn't match expectations and experimental evidence. We adjusted our positions and communications. So you can call it "bullshit posturing nonsense" but I see "taking less than a day to get to the bottom of a bug report that might not have gotten significant attention."