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From: Goffredo Baroncelli <kreijack@inwind.it>
To: Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Harald Hoyer <harald@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, Kay Sievers <kay@vrfy.org>,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, David Sterba <dsterba@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: Extend BTRFS_IOC_DEVICES_READY for degraded RAID
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:36:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54AABD92.9050904@inwind.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150105113147.GA18350@gardel-login>

On 2015-01-05 12:31, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 05.01.15 10:46, Harald Hoyer (harald@redhat.com) wrote:
> 
>> We have BTRFS_IOC_DEVICES_READY to report, if all devices are present, so that
>> a udev rule can report ID_BTRFS_READY and SYSTEMD_READY.
>>
>> I think we need a third state here for a degraded RAID, which can be mounted,
>> but should only after a certain timeout/kernel command line params.
>>
>> We also have to rethink how to handle the udev DB update for the change of the
>> state. incomplete -> degraded -> complete
> 
> I am not convinced that automatically booting degraded arrays would be
> a good idea. Instead, requiring one manual step before booting a
> degraded array sounds OK to me.

I think that a good use case is when the root filesystem is a raid one.

However I don't think that the current architecture is enough flexible to
perform this job:
- mounting a raid filesystem in degraded mode is good for some setup
but it is not the right solution for all: a configure
parameter to allow one behavior or the other is needed:
- the degraded mode should be allowed only if not all the devices are
discovered AND a timeout is expired. This timeout is another variable which 
(IMHO) should be configurable;
- there are different degrees of degraded mode: if the raid is a RAID6,
losing a device would be acceptable; loosing two devices may be 
unacceptable. Again there is no a simple answer; it is needed a 
configurable policy;
- pay attention that the current architecture has some flaws: if a device
disappear during the device discovery, ID_BTRFS_READY returns OK
even if a device is missing.

I proposed a mount.btrfs helper[1], which (IMHO) is a good place for
this kind of job. However I have to point out that both Chris, and David 
aren't fully convinced of this solution. I hope that they could change
opinion.

In conclusion, I see some use case to allow to mount a degraded btrfs
filesystem; however I don't see as viable the idea to enhance the
BTRFS_IOC_DEVICES_READY ioctl. More logic is required.


> 
> Lennart
> 

BR
G.Baroncelli

[1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-btrfs/msg39706.html


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-05 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-05  9:46 Extend BTRFS_IOC_DEVICES_READY for degraded RAID Harald Hoyer
2015-01-05 11:31 ` Lennart Poettering
2015-01-05 12:08   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-01-05 16:36   ` Goffredo Baroncelli [this message]
2015-01-05 17:02     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-01-05 17:57       ` Goffredo Baroncelli

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