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From: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>
To: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
Cc: <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, AKA dangerous mode.
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:45:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D32D9D.2060306@cn.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1898269.N3rJDqb6kZ@merkaba>


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, 
AKA dangerous mode.
From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>
Date: 2015年02月05日 16:31
> Am Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2015, 09:35:26 schrieb Qu Wenruo:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks,
>> AKA dangerous mode.
>> From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de>
>> To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>
>> Date: 2015年02月04日 17:16
>>
>>> Am Mittwoch, 4. Februar 2015, 15:16:44 schrieb Qu Wenruo:
>>>> Btrfs's metadata csum is a good mechanism, keeping bit error away
>>>> from
>>>> sensitive kernel. But such mechanism will also be too sensitive, like
>>>> bit error in csum bytes or low all zero bits in nodeptr.
>>>> It's a trade using "error tolerance" for stable, and is reasonable
>>>> for
>>>> most cases since there is DUP/RAID1/5/6/10 duplication level.
>>>>
>>>> But in some case, whatever for development purpose or despair user
>>>> who
>>>> can't tolerant all his/her inline data lost, or even crazy QA team
>>>> hoping btrfs can survive heavy random bits bombing, there are some
>>>> guys
>>>> want to get rid of the csum protection and face the crucial raw data
>>>> no
>>>> matter what disaster may happen.
>>>>
>>>> So, introduce the new '--dangerous' (or "destruction"/"debug" if you
>>>> like) option for btrfsck to reset all csum of tree blocks.
>>> I often wondered about this: AFAIK if you get a csum error BTRFS makes
>>> this an input/output error. For being able to access the data in
>>> place,
>>> how about a "iwantmycorrupteddataback" mount option where BTRFS just
>>> logs csum errors but allows one to access the files nonetheless.
>> The idea is good, but don't forget we have metadata(tree block) and
>> data. For data, this is completely OK.
>> But for metadata, this may be a disaster just like the --dangerous
>> option.
> Ah yes, so probably only do this for data or have an extra option for
> skipping csum on metadata for the really desparate, but then I´d really
> force read only to avoid corrupted causing more damage.
>
>>> This could even
>>> work together with remount. Maybe it would be good not to allow
>>> writing to broken csum blocks, i.e. fail these with input/output
>>> error.
>> Don't forget btrfs' COW write.
>> So write into data shouldn't be a problem.(if COW is enabled).
> Yes, but… it hides the corruption. Unless you have a snapshot if an
> application reads corrupted data and then writes it back, then you have no
> indication that the data was corrupted in the first time.
>
>>> This way, the csum would not be automatically fixed, *but* one is able
>>> to access the broken data, *while* knowing it is broken.
>>>
>>> If that is possible already, I missed it.
>> Much as you considered, data csum can be rebuilt in btrfsck with
>> --init-csum-tree option.
>> Although not every user knows this feature and even less users know the
>> correct timing using it.
> I wonder about making a wiki page about recovery options with two parts:
>
> 1) Diagnosis. First find out what might be wrong.
>
> 2) Cure. Then decide which steps to try to recover.
This seems really useful.

But I'm a little afraid of introducing too much info for end user, 
metadata/data, difference between btrfsck
and scrub and tons of other things may make user confused.
And more, this things should be done by btrfsck automatically...

Beside this, wiki pages about real world btrfs recovery strategy is very 
helpful.
Feel free to add, although I'm not sure how to add pages to btrfs wiki, 
maybe you need to contact Marc or
David?

Thanks,
Qu
>
> And of cause an intro on best practice to only work on a copy of the copy
> for any in-place repair attempts.
>
> I´d be willing to make such a page, provided I get enough hints on what to
> try when. I have some ideas myself, but I am not sure they are accurate :)
>
> Thanks,
> Martin
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Qu
>>
>>>> The csum reseting have the following features:
>>>> 1) Top to down level by level
>>>> The csum resetting is done from tree to level 1, and only when all
>>>> the
>>>> csum of nodes in this level is reset and can pass read_tree_block()
>>>> check, it will continue to next level.
>>>> And all bytenr in nodeptr will be re-aligned, so bit error in the low
>>>> 12 bits(4K sector size case) can also be repaired without pain.
>>>> With this behavior, error in nodeptr has a chance not affecting its
>>>> child.
>>>>
>>>> 2) No Copy-on-write
>>>> COW means we needs to have a valid extent tree, if extent tree is
>>>> corrupted COW will only be a BUG_ON blocking us.
>>>> So all the r/w in this dangerous mode will use no-cow write. That's
>>>> why
>>>> we export and slightly modified write_tree_block() to do no-cow tree
>>>> block write with newly calculated csum.
>>>> Since the write is not cowed, if it fails, it will also destroy the
>>>> last hope for manual inspection.
>>>>
>>>> Qu Wenruo (7):
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Add btrfs_(prev/next)_tree_block() to keep search
>>>>     result
>>>>     
>>>>       in     the same level of path->lowest_level.
>>>>     
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Introduce btrfs_next_slot() function to iterate to
>>>>     next
>>>>     
>>>>         slot in given level.
>>>>     
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Allow btrfs_read_fs_root() to re-read the tree node.
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Export write_tree_block() and allow it to do nocow
>>>>     write.
>>>>
>>>> btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_tree_block_csum() for later
>>>> tree block csum reset.
>>>>
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_(one_root/roots)_csum()
>>>>     to
>>>>     
>>>>         reset one/all tree's csum in tree root.
>>>>     
>>>>     btrfs-progs: Introduce "--dangerous" option to reset all tree
>>>>     block
>>>>     
>>>>        csum.
>>>>    
>>>>    cmds-check.c | 284
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++- ctree.c
>>>>
>>>>    |  18 ++--
>>>>    
>>>>    ctree.h      |  25 +++++-
>>>>    disk-io.c    |  55 +++++++++---
>>>>    disk-io.h    |   3 +
>>>>    5 files changed, 359 insertions(+), 26 deletions(-)


  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-05  8:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04  7:16 [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, AKA dangerous mode Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 1/7] btrfs-progs: Add btrfs_(prev/next)_tree_block() to keep search result in the same level of path->lowest_level Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 2/7] btrfs-progs: Introduce btrfs_next_slot() function to iterate to next slot in given level Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 3/7] btrfs-progs: Allow btrfs_read_fs_root() to re-read the tree node Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 4/7] btrfs-progs: Export write_tree_block() and allow it to do nocow write Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 4/5] btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_tree_block_csum() for later tree block csum reset Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 5/5] btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_(one_root/roots)_csum() to reset one/all tree's csum in tree root Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 5/7] btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_tree_block_csum() for later tree block csum reset Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 6/7] btrfs-progs: Introduce new function reset_(one_root/roots)_csum() to reset one/all tree's csum in tree root Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  7:16 ` [PATCH 7/7] btrfs-progs: Introduce "--dangerous" option to reset all tree block csum Qu Wenruo
2015-02-04  9:16 ` [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, AKA dangerous mode Martin Steigerwald
2015-02-04 10:07   ` Paul Jones
2015-02-05  1:43     ` Qu Wenruo
2015-02-05  1:35   ` Qu Wenruo
2015-02-05  8:31     ` Martin Steigerwald
2015-02-05  8:45       ` Qu Wenruo [this message]
2015-02-05  8:59         ` BTRFS wiki: page about recovery (was: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, AKA dangerous mode.) Martin Steigerwald
2015-04-22  5:55 ` [PATCH 0/7] Allow btrfsck to reset csum of all tree blocks, AKA dangerous mode Qu Wenruo

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