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From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: Qu Wenruo <quwenruo@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Anand Jain <anand.jain@oracle.com>,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:04:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56448E58.3070000@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5643F62D.6050703@cn.fujitsu.com>

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On 2015-11-11 21:15, Qu Wenruo wrote:
> Hi Anand,
>
> Nice work.
> But I have some small questions about it.
>
> Anand Jain wrote on 2015/11/09 18:56 +0800:
>> These set of patches provides btrfs hot spare and auto replace support
>> for you review and comments.
>>
>> First, here below are the simple example steps to configure the same:
>>
>> Add a spare device:
>>      btrfs spare add /dev/sde -f
>
> I'm sorry but I didn't quite see the benefit of a spare device.
Aside from what Duncan said (and I happen to agree with him), there is 
also the fact that hot-spares are (at least traditionally in most RAID 
systems) usually used with RAID5 or RAID6 (or some other parity scheme).

So, to summarize:
1. Hot spares are more useful for most users in global context, and in 
that case only if they have more than one filesystem.
2. A pool of hot spares is even more useful.
3. Assuming whole disk usage (as opposed to partitioning), the hot spare 
will have no load on it until it gets used, at which point it will 
almost always be in better physical condition than the device it 
replaced (which is important for HA systems, in such cases you replace 
the disk that failed, and make the new disk a hot spare)
4. Hot spares are more often used (at least from what I've seen) on 
parity based raid systems than raid1.

In the rather limited case you outlined, I would probably just use raid1 
across all three devices myself (unless they were whole disks and not 
individual partitions, in which case I'd use a hot spare), but looking 
beyond that at my actual usage of BTRFS (multiple filesystems with 
multiple different raid profiles, spread across various disks), hot 
spares are definitely useful (although they would be more useful if I 
could specify that a given hot spare be used only for a given set of 
filesystems).



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-12 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-09 10:56 [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 01/15] btrfs: Introduce a new function to check if all chunks a OK for degraded mount Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 02/15] btrfs: Do per-chunk check for mount time check Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 03/15] btrfs: Do per-chunk degraded check for remount Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 04/15] btrfs: Allow barrier_all_devices to do per-chunk device check Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 05/15] btrfs: optimize btrfs_check_degradable() for calls outside of barrier Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 06/15] btrfs: Cleanup num_tolerated_disk_barrier_failures Anand Jain
2015-12-05  7:16   ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 07/15] btrfs: introduce device dynamic state transition to offline or failed Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 08/15] btrfs: check device for critical errors and mark failed Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 09/15] btrfs: block incompatible optional features at scan Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 10/15] btrfs: introduce BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SPARE_DEV Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 11/15] btrfs: add check not to mount a spare device Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 12/15] btrfs: support btrfs dev scan for " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 13/15] btrfs: provide framework to get and put a " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 14/15] btrfs: introduce helper functions to perform hot replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:56 ` [PATCH 15/15] btrfs: check for failed device and " Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58 ` [PATCH 0/4] btrfs-progs: Hot spare and Auto replace Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 1/4] btrfs-progs: Introduce BTRFS_FEATURE_INCOMPAT_SPARE_DEV SB flags Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 2/4] btrfs-progs: Introduce btrfs spare subcommand Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 3/4] btrfs-progs: add fi show for spare Anand Jain
2015-11-09 10:58   ` [PATCH 4/4] btrfs-progs: add global spare device list to filesystem show Anand Jain
2015-11-09 14:09 ` [PATCH 00/15] btrfs: Hot spare and Auto replace Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-09 21:29   ` Duncan
2015-11-10 12:13     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-13 10:17       ` Anand Jain
2015-11-13 12:25         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-15 18:10         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-11-12  2:15 ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-12  6:46   ` Duncan
2015-11-12 13:04   ` Austin S Hemmelgarn [this message]
2015-11-13  1:07     ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-13 10:20       ` Anand Jain
2015-11-14  0:54         ` Qu Wenruo
2015-11-16 13:39           ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-12 19:08   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-13 10:18   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-12 19:21 ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-13 10:20   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-14 11:05     ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2015-11-16 13:41 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-11-16 22:07   ` Anand Jain
2015-11-17 12:28     ` Austin S Hemmelgarn

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