From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ig0-f181.google.com ([209.85.213.181]:33078 "EHLO mail-ig0-f181.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751664AbbKLN16 (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:27:58 -0500 Received: by igvi2 with SMTP id i2so14305616igv.0 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 2015 05:27:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Ideas for btrfs-convert fix(or rework) To: Vytautas D , Btrfs BTRFS References: <56418E5D.9020604@gmx.com> <20151110125501.1aa6f155@natsu> <5641A7DA.6010102@gmx.com> <20151110140855.3ae7297c@natsu> <5641B64A.9020606@gmx.com> From: Austin S Hemmelgarn Message-ID: <564493D5.2070609@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:27:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-512; boundary="------------ms040300010804060909070209" Sender: linux-btrfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040300010804060909070209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015-11-12 05:23, Vytautas D wrote: > [ resending as it didnt get through. ] > > I got different opinion. btrfs-convert is something that > brought me to btrfs. While there are other bugs to fix, someone > dedicating time to fix btrfs-convert is of high interest to me. > Sending right message to community, might make some rolling distros to > trust it and experiment with it. While I can kind of understand this, what has been said about it being=20 something you run exactly once per-system per-filesystem is not untrue=20 for almost all users. It has almost no value for people setting up new=20 systems (because they can just use BTRFS directly), and I personally see = very limited value for the two biggest rolling-release distros that I=20 know of (Arch and Gentoo), because the very fact that you installed a=20 system with either one means that you are fully capable of backing up=20 your data, and reprovisioning the system using BTRFS instead of whatever = filesystem you are already using (and that will _always_ be safer than=20 in-place conversion). I also see little value for non rolling-release=20 systems other than Ubuntu (and possibly Mint, I don't know if they have=20 reliably working in-place release upgrades or not) because system=20 upgrades with those are usually full re-installs (and by the time that=20 btrfs-convert has been around long enough that they consider it safe to=20 package, BTRFS will be a lot more prevalent and will likely have been=20 the default FS for them for a long time). --------------ms040300010804060909070209 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Brgwgga0MIIEnKADAgECAgMRLfgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQENBQAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBD QTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNp Z25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcwHhcN MTUwOTIxMTEzNTEzWhcNMTYwMzE5MTEzNTEzWjBjMRgwFgYDVQQDEw9DQWNlcnQgV29UIFVz ZXIxIzAhBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFGFoZmVycm9pbjdAZ21haWwuY29tMSIwIAYJKoZIhvcNAQkB FhNhaGVtbWVsZ0BvaGlvZ3QuY29tMIICIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAg8AMIICCgKCAgEA nQ/81tq0QBQi5w316VsVNfjg6kVVIMx760TuwA1MUaNQgQ3NyUl+UyFtjhpkNwwChjgAqfGd LIMTHAdObcwGfzO5uI2o1a8MHVQna8FRsU3QGouysIOGQlX8jFYXMKPEdnlt0GoQcd+BtESr pivbGWUEkPs1CwM6WOrs+09bAJP3qzKIr0VxervFrzrC5Dg9Rf18r9WXHElBuWHg4GYHNJ2V Ab8iKc10h44FnqxZK8RDN8ts/xX93i9bIBmHnFfyNRfiOUtNVeynJbf6kVtdHP+CRBkXCNRZ qyQT7gbTGD24P92PS2UTmDfplSBcWcTn65o3xWfesbf02jF6PL3BCrVnDRI4RgYxG3zFBJuG qvMoEODLhHKSXPAyQhwZINigZNdw5G1NqjXqUw+lIqdQvoPijK9J3eijiakh9u2bjWOMaleI SMRR6XsdM2O5qun1dqOrCgRkM0XSNtBQ2JjY7CycIx+qifJWsRaYWZz0aQU4ZrtAI7gVhO9h pyNaAGjvm7PdjEBiXq57e4QcgpwzvNlv8pG1c/hnt0msfDWNJtl3b6elhQ2Pz4w/QnWifZ8E BrFEmjeeJa2dqjE3giPVWrsH+lOvQQONsYJOuVb8b0zao4vrWeGmW2q2e3pdv0Axzm/60cJQ haZUv8+JdX9ZzqxOm5w5eUQSclt84u+D+hsCAwEAAaOCAVkwggFVMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAw VgYJYIZIAYb4QgENBEkWR1RvIGdldCB5b3VyIG93biBjZXJ0aWZpY2F0ZSBmb3IgRlJFRSBo ZWFkIG92ZXIgdG8gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5DQWNlcnQub3JnMA4GA1UdDwEB/wQEAwIDqDBABgNV HSUEOTA3BggrBgEFBQcDBAYIKwYBBQUHAwIGCisGAQQBgjcKAwQGCisGAQQBgjcKAwMGCWCG SAGG+EIEATAyBggrBgEFBQcBAQQmMCQwIgYIKwYBBQUHMAGGFmh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmNhY2Vy dC5vcmcwMQYDVR0fBCowKDAmoCSgIoYgaHR0cDovL2NybC5jYWNlcnQub3JnL3Jldm9rZS5j cmwwNAYDVR0RBC0wK4EUYWhmZXJyb2luN0BnbWFpbC5jb22BE2FoZW1tZWxnQG9oaW9ndC5j b20wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQENBQADggIBADMnxtSLiIunh/TQcjnRdf63yf2D8jMtYUm4yDoCF++J jCXbPQBGrpCEHztlNSGIkF3PH7ohKZvlqF4XePWxpY9dkr/pNyCF1PRkwxUURqvuHXbu8Lwn 8D3U2HeOEU3KmrfEo65DcbanJCMTTW7+mU9lZICPP7ZA9/zB+L0Gm1UNFZ6AU50N/86vjQfY WgkCd6dZD4rQ5y8L+d/lRbJW7ZGEQw1bSFVTRpkxxDTOwXH4/GpQfnfqTAtQuJ1CsKT12e+H NSD/RUWGTr289dA3P4nunBlz7qfvKamxPymHeBEUcuICKkL9/OZrnuYnGROFwcdvfjGE5iLB kjp/ttrY4aaVW5EsLASNgiRmA6mbgEAMlw3RwVx0sVelbiIAJg9Twzk4Ct6U9uBKiJ8S0sS2 8RCSyTmCRhJs0vvva5W9QUFGmp5kyFQEoSfBRJlbZfGX2ehI2Hi3U2/PMUm2ONuQG1E+a0AP u7I0NJc/Xil7rqR0gdbfkbWp0a+8dAvaM6J00aIcNo+HkcQkUgtfrw+C2Oyl3q8IjivGXZqT 5UdGUb2KujLjqjG91Dun3/RJ/qgQlotH7WkVBs7YJVTCxfkdN36rToPcnMYOI30FWa0Q06gn F6gUv9/mo6riv3A5bem/BdbgaJoPnWQD9D8wSyci9G4LKC+HQAMdLmGoeZfpJzKHMYIE0TCC BM0CAQEwgYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNl cnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcN AQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAxEt+DANBglghkgBZQMEAgMFAKCCAiEwGAYJKoZI hvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMTUxMTEyMTMyNzQ5WjBPBgkq hkiG9w0BCQQxQgRAPBuv3DmKz+Mq1lUprEiw+c11BZ3q/o2RiI4bY14kbVgCc/h9muj8HCXD /kcNgKA3gDrub/KS2ulbqTzWxHZf/jBsBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xXzBdMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBKjAL BglghkgBZQMEAQIwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFA MAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIGRBgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxgYMwgYAweTEQMA4GA1UE ChMHUm9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlD QSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2Vy dC5vcmcCAxEt+DCBkwYLKoZIhvcNAQkQAgsxgYOggYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMHUm9vdCBDQTEe MBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0IFNpZ25p bmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAxEt+DAN BgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAgBPJJodGGg/5XJseF72KvuK42M2NqNaoyI1xK65gXeJDRpIHIrZ bLnAA8KKnB3oPVi3MrInH8y0jkwfDupjmyv7N0yBPPKy5ywSNwextnW54pHMS3EQTG/uEUjF zCZC61KK9bDS6RLrR4z/DHYhUC3FiwJbaC2bPcQ67mma0drGBSCTwiYlzLBaIRa6ik89hzOU V8sUdjl/GyHcvENOoDbQ25wVM6IxNbOpc5znf6BCgKKh571ZmHEr8oZIbFxk8J7cqxCTcfnz trYYZzrvG8J/Tn4WQ97xrCDChh0BcCmFOsaMllJM5UDCStYsFrZn9vU4v6B9GQbxMtACINX5 w+xMvPOHcCEnzAWQ97Fw5bBznxQNVuruhrdNwH8fKR09aEmNdRYJ4jXgb8kVnzFpkWrsNCiO FjzDTX7JtfHVciGcGCeSBsTrtKwaK+6ySyP82eeZ1BlEDc2lQZwuV/6ieEqw1z2/W+J76zs0 z+T/4UfwU6gB7CYfqe3XNW87DJIdCGADoVGJGFnLVdxCmt4zs0ORt0oa43j0aCgefLTdu5MH IgMQC8Wi8tp2FeHD3JKSYCnH1wg2uyCMgIfyJuPp8JGK/M2HAVaIgULVLehh7DLLRNJ1GOjJ 9qM/hXz/Y/IcTxgkm0lazmcauKND+tekAnCXMEWE6jb/pG/b5e9jDNRbCAAAAAAAAA== --------------ms040300010804060909070209--