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From: "Austin S. Hemmelgarn" <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
To: Hugo Mills <hugo@carfax.org.uk>,
	Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com>,
	Christoph Anton Mitterer <calestyo@scientia.net>,
	Btrfs BTRFS <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: attacking btrfs filesystems via UUID collisions?
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:27:12 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56702340.2090908@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151215141813.GG26782@carfax.org.uk>

On 2015-12-15 09:18, Hugo Mills wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 08:54:01AM -0500, Austin S. Hemmelgarn wrote:
>> On 2015-12-14 16:26, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Austin S. Hemmelgarn
>>> <ahferroin7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, if yo9u can't substantiate _why_ it's bad practice, then you aren't
>>>> making a valid argument.  The fact that there is software that doesn't
>>>> handle it well would say to me based on established practice that that
>>>> software is what's broken, not common practice.
>>>
>>> The automobile is invented and due to the ensuing chaos, common
>>> practice of doing whatever the F you wanted came to an end in favor of
>>> rules of the road and traffic lights. I'm sure some people went
>>> ballistic, but for the most part things were much better without the
>>> brokenness or prior common practice.
>> Except for one thing:  Automobiles actually provide a measurable
>> significant benefit to society.  What specific benefit does
>> embedding the filesystem UUID in the metadata actually provide?
>
>     That one's easy to answer. It deals with a major issue that
> reiserfs had: if you have a filesystem with another filesystem image
> stored on it, reiserfsck could end up deciding that both the metadata
> blocks of the main filesystem *and* the metadata blocks of the image
> were part of the same FS (because they're on the same block device),
> and so would splice both filesystems into one, generally complaining
> loudly along the way that there was a lot of corruption present that
> it was trying to fix.
IIRC, that was because of the way the SB was designed, and is why other 
filesystems have a UUID in the superblock.

I probably should have been clearer with my statement, what I meant was:
What specific benefit does using the UUID for multi-device filesystems 
to identify the various devices provide?


  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-15 14:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-04 12:05 Subvolume UUID, data corruption? S.J
2015-12-04 13:07 ` Hugo Mills
2015-12-05  3:28   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-05  5:52     ` attacking btrfs filesystems via UUID collisions? (was: Subvolume UUID, data corruption?) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-05 12:01     ` Subvolume UUID, data corruption? Hugo Mills
2015-12-06  1:51       ` attacking btrfs filesystems via UUID collisions? (was: Subvolume UUID, data corruption?) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-11 12:33       ` Subvolume UUID, data corruption? Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2015-12-05 13:19     ` Duncan
2015-12-06  1:51       ` attacking btrfs filesystems via UUID collisions? (was: Subvolume UUID, data corruption?) Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-06  4:06         ` Duncan
2015-12-09  5:07           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-09 11:54             ` Duncan
2015-12-06 14:34         ` attacking btrfs filesystems via UUID collisions? Qu Wenruo
2015-12-06 20:55           ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-09  5:39           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-09 21:48             ` S.J.
2015-12-10 12:08               ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-12-10 12:41                 ` Hugo Mills
2015-12-10 12:57                   ` S.J.
2015-12-10 19:42               ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-11 22:21                 ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-11 22:32                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-11 23:06                   ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-12  1:34                     ` S.J.
2015-12-14  0:28                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-14  0:27                     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-14 13:23                       ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2015-12-14 21:26                         ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-15  0:35                           ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-15 13:54                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2015-12-15 14:18                             ` Hugo Mills
2015-12-15 14:27                               ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn [this message]
2015-12-15 14:42                                 ` Hugo Mills
2015-12-15 16:03                                   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2015-12-16 12:14                                     ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-16 12:10                                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-16 12:03                               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-16 14:41                                 ` Chris Mason
2015-12-16 15:04                                   ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-17  3:25                                     ` Duncan
2015-12-18  0:56                                       ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-22  2:13                                       ` Kai Krakow
2015-12-16 12:03                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-17  2:43                               ` Duncan
2015-12-15  0:08                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-15 14:19                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2015-12-16 12:56                             ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-14 20:55                       ` Chris Murphy
2015-12-15  0:22                         ` Christoph Anton Mitterer
2015-12-11 23:14                   ` Eric Sandeen
2015-12-11 22:06               ` Christoph Anton Mitterer

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